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From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
Cc: "Thomas Weißschuh" <thomas.weissschuh@linutronix.de>,
	"Jan Kara" <jack@suse.cz>, "Sargun Dhillon" <sargun@sargun.me>,
	"Kees Cook" <kees@kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] fs: always return zero on success from replace_fd()
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2025 16:34:57 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250805153457.GB222315@ZenIV> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250805-beleidigen-klugheit-c19b1657674a@brauner>

On Tue, Aug 05, 2025 at 01:55:59PM +0200, Christian Brauner wrote:

> The calling conventions of do_dup2() are terrible. The only reason it
> drops file_lock itself instead of leaving it to the two callers that
> have to acquire it anyway is because it wants to call filp_close() if
> there's already a file on that fd.

Alternative calling conventions end up being nastier - I've tried.

> And really the side-effect of dropping a lock implicitly is nasty
> especially when the function doesn't even indicate that it does that in
> it's name.
> 
> And guards are great.

They do no allow to express things like "foo() consumes lock X".
From time to time, we *do* need that, and when that happens guards
become a menace.

Another case is
	lock
	if (lock-dependent condition)
		some work
		unlock
		work that can't be under that lock
	else
		some other work
		unlock
		more work that can't be under that lock

Fairly common, especially when that's a spinlock and "can't be under that
lock" includes blocking operations.  Can't be expressed with guards, not
without a massage that often ends up with bloody awful results.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-05 15:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-04  8:40 [PATCH v2] fs: always return zero on success from replace_fd() Thomas Weißschuh
2025-08-04 12:33 ` Christian Brauner
2025-08-04 15:52   ` Al Viro
2025-08-04 16:02     ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-08-05 11:56       ` Christian Brauner
2025-08-04 17:27     ` Al Viro
2025-08-05 11:55     ` Christian Brauner
2025-08-05 15:34       ` Al Viro [this message]
2025-08-05 19:50         ` Al Viro
2025-08-06  1:54           ` Al Viro

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