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From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: NeilBrown <neil@brown.name>
Cc: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 11/11] VFS: introduce d_alloc_noblock() and d_alloc_locked()
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2025 07:53:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250813065333.GG222315@ZenIV> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250812235228.3072318-12-neil@brown.name>

On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 12:25:14PM +1000, NeilBrown wrote:
> Several filesystems use the results of readdir to prime the dcache.
> These filesystems use d_alloc_parallel() which can block if there is a
> concurrent lookup.  Blocking in that case is pointless as the lookup
> will add info to the dcache and there is no value in the readdir waiting
> to see if it should add the info too.
> 
> Also these calls to d_alloc_parallel() are made while the parent
> directory is locked.  A proposed change to locking will lock the parent
> later, after d_alloc_parallel().  This means it won't be safe to wait in
> d_alloc_parallel() while holding the directory lock.
> 
> So this patch introduces d_alloc_noblock() which doesn't block
> but instead returns ERR_PTR(-EWOULDBLOCK).  Filesystems that prime the
> dcache now use that and ignore -EWOULDBLOCK errors as harmless.
> 
> A few filesystems need more than -EWOULDBLOCK - they need to be able to
> create the missing dentry within the readdir.  procfs is a good example
> as the inode number is not known until the lookup completes, so readdir
> must perform a full lookup.
> 
> For these filesystems d_alloc_locked() is provided.  It will return a
> dentry which is already d_in_lookup() but will also lock it against
> concurrent lookup.  The filesystem's ->lookup function must co-operate
> by calling lock_lookup() before proceeding with the lookup.  This way we
> can ensure exclusion between a lookup performed in ->iterate_shared and
> a lookup performed in ->lookup.  Currently this exclusion is provided by
> waiting in d_wait_lookup().  The proposed changed to dir locking will
> mean that calling d_wait_lookup() (in readdir) while already holding
> i_rwsem could deadlock.

The last one is playing fast and loose with one assertion that is used
in quite a few places in correctness proofs - that the only thing other
threads do to in-lookup dentries is waiting on them (and that - only
in d_wait_lookup()).  I can't tell whether it will be a problem without
seeing what you do in the users of that thing, but that creates an
unpleasant areas to watch out for in the future ;-/

Which filesystems are those, aside of procfs?

  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-13  6:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-12  2:25 [PATCH 00/11] VFS: prepare for changes to directory locking NeilBrown
2025-08-12  2:25 ` [PATCH 01/11] VFS: discard err2 in filename_create() NeilBrown
2025-08-13  3:22   ` Al Viro
2025-08-12  2:25 ` [PATCH 02/11] VFS: introduce dentry_lookup() and friends NeilBrown
2025-08-13  4:12   ` Al Viro
2025-08-13  7:48     ` NeilBrown
2025-08-12  2:25 ` [PATCH 03/11] VFS: add dentry_lookup_killable() NeilBrown
2025-08-13  4:15   ` Al Viro
2025-08-13  7:50     ` NeilBrown
2025-08-12  2:25 ` [PATCH 04/11] VFS: introduce dentry_lookup_continue() NeilBrown
2025-08-13  4:22   ` Al Viro
2025-08-13  7:53     ` NeilBrown
2025-08-18 12:39   ` Amir Goldstein
2025-08-18 21:52     ` NeilBrown
2025-08-19  8:37       ` Amir Goldstein
2025-08-12  2:25 ` [PATCH 05/11] VFS: add rename_lookup() NeilBrown
2025-08-13  4:35   ` Al Viro
2025-08-13  8:04     ` NeilBrown
2025-08-14  1:40       ` Al Viro
2025-08-12  2:25 ` [PATCH 06/11] VFS: unify old_mnt_idmap and new_mnt_idmap in renamedata NeilBrown
2025-08-13  4:36   ` Al Viro
2025-08-12  2:25 ` [PATCH 07/11] VFS: Change vfs_mkdir() to unlock on failure NeilBrown
2025-08-13  7:22   ` Amir Goldstein
2025-08-14  1:13     ` NeilBrown
2025-08-14 13:29       ` Amir Goldstein
2025-08-12  2:25 ` [PATCH 08/11] VFS: allow d_splice_alias() and d_add() to work on hashed dentries NeilBrown
2025-08-13  5:07   ` Al Viro
2026-02-26  1:00     ` NeilBrown
2026-02-26  1:34       ` NeilBrown
2025-08-12  2:25 ` [PATCH 09/11] VFS: use global wait-queue table for d_alloc_parallel() NeilBrown
2025-08-13  6:44   ` Al Viro
2025-08-14  1:31     ` NeilBrown
2025-08-12  2:25 ` [PATCH 10/11] VFS: use d_alloc_parallel() in lookup_one_qstr_excl() NeilBrown
2025-08-13  5:19   ` Al Viro
2025-08-14  0:56     ` NeilBrown
2025-08-12  2:25 ` [PATCH 11/11] VFS: introduce d_alloc_noblock() and d_alloc_locked() NeilBrown
2025-08-13  6:53   ` Al Viro [this message]
2025-08-14  2:07     ` NeilBrown
2025-08-14 13:47       ` Amir Goldstein
2025-08-13  0:01 ` [PATCH 00/11] VFS: prepare for changes to directory locking Al Viro

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