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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Edgecombe, Rick P" <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>
Cc: "jolsa@kernel.org" <jolsa@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCHv6 perf/core 10/22] uprobes/x86: Add support to optimize uprobes
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2025 19:12:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250820171237.GL4067720@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9ece46a40ae89925312398780c3bc3518f229aff.camel@intel.com>

On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 03:58:14PM +0000, Edgecombe, Rick P wrote:
> I'm not sure we should optimize for shadow stack yet. Unless it's easy to think
> about... (below)
> 
> On Wed, 2025-08-20 at 14:30 +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > --- a/arch/x86/include/asm/shstk.h
> > +++ b/arch/x86/include/asm/shstk.h
> > @@ -23,6 +23,8 @@ int setup_signal_shadow_stack(struct ksi
> >  int restore_signal_shadow_stack(void);
> >  int shstk_update_last_frame(unsigned long val);
> >  bool shstk_is_enabled(void);
> > +int shstk_pop(u64 *val);
> > +int shstk_push(u64 val);
> >  #else
> >  static inline long shstk_prctl(struct task_struct *task, int option,
> >  			       unsigned long arg2) { return -EINVAL; }
> > @@ -35,6 +37,8 @@ static inline int setup_signal_shadow_st
> >  static inline int restore_signal_shadow_stack(void) { return 0; }
> >  static inline int shstk_update_last_frame(unsigned long val) { return 0; }
> >  static inline bool shstk_is_enabled(void) { return false; }
> > +static inline int shstk_pop(u64 *val) { return -ENOTSUPP; }
> > +static inline int shstk_push(u64 val) { return -ENOTSUPP; }
> >  #endif /* CONFIG_X86_USER_SHADOW_STACK */
> >  
> >  #endif /* __ASSEMBLER__ */
> > --- a/arch/x86/kernel/shstk.c
> > +++ b/arch/x86/kernel/shstk.c
> > @@ -246,6 +246,46 @@ static unsigned long get_user_shstk_addr
> >  	return ssp;
> >  }
> >  
> > +int shstk_pop(u64 *val)
> > +{
> > +	int ret = 0;
> > +	u64 ssp;
> > +
> > +	if (!features_enabled(ARCH_SHSTK_SHSTK))
> > +		return -ENOTSUPP;
> > +
> > +	fpregs_lock_and_load();
> > +
> > +	rdmsrq(MSR_IA32_PL3_SSP, ssp);
> > +	if (val && get_user(*val, (__user u64 *)ssp))
> > +	    ret = -EFAULT;
> > +	ssp += SS_FRAME_SIZE;
> > +	wrmsrq(MSR_IA32_PL3_SSP, ssp);
> > +
> > +	fpregs_unlock();
> > +
> > +	return ret;
> > +}
> > +
> > +int shstk_push(u64 val)
> > +{
> > +	u64 ssp;
> > +	int ret;
> > +
> > +	if (!features_enabled(ARCH_SHSTK_SHSTK))
> > +		return -ENOTSUPP;
> > +
> > +	fpregs_lock_and_load();
> > +
> > +	rdmsrq(MSR_IA32_PL3_SSP, ssp);
> > +	ssp -= SS_FRAME_SIZE;
> > +	wrmsrq(MSR_IA32_PL3_SSP, ssp);
> > +	ret = write_user_shstk_64((__user void *)ssp, val);
> 
> Should we role back ssp if there is a fault?

Ah, probably. And same with pop I suppose, don't adjust ssp if we can't
read it etc.

> > +	fpregs_unlock();
> > +
> > +	return ret;
> > +}
> > +
> >  #define SHSTK_DATA_BIT BIT(63)
> >  
> >  static int put_shstk_data(u64 __user *addr, u64 data)
> > --- a/arch/x86/kernel/uprobes.c
> > +++ b/arch/x86/kernel/uprobes.c
> > @@ -804,7 +804,7 @@ SYSCALL_DEFINE0(uprobe)
> >  {
> >  	struct pt_regs *regs = task_pt_regs(current);
> >  	struct uprobe_syscall_args args;
> > -	unsigned long ip, sp;
> > +	unsigned long ip, sp, sret;
> >  	int err;
> >  
> >  	/* Allow execution only from uprobe trampolines. */
> > @@ -831,6 +831,9 @@ SYSCALL_DEFINE0(uprobe)
> >  
> >  	sp = regs->sp;
> >  
> > +	if (shstk_pop(&sret) == 0 && sret != args.retaddr)
> > +		goto sigill;
> > +
> >  	handle_syscall_uprobe(regs, regs->ip);
> >  
> >  	/*
> > @@ -855,6 +858,9 @@ SYSCALL_DEFINE0(uprobe)
> >  	if (args.retaddr - 5 != regs->ip)
> >  		args.retaddr = regs->ip;
> >  
> > +	if (shstk_push(args.retaddr) == -EFAULT)
> > +		goto sigill;
> > +
> 
> Are we effectively allowing arbitrary shadow stack push here? 

Yeah, why not? Userspace shadow stacks does not, and cannot, protect
from the kernel being funneh. It fully relies on the kernel being
trusted. So the kernel doing a shstk_{pop,push}() to make things line up
properly shouldn't be a problem.

> I see we need to be in in_uprobe_trampoline(), but there is no mmap
> lock taken, so it's a racy check.

Racy how? Isn't this more or less equivalent to what a normal CALL
instruction would do?

> I'm questioning if the security posture tweak is worth thinking about for
> whatever the level of intersection of uprobes usage and shadow stack is today.

I have no idea how much code is built with shadow stack enabled today;
but I see no point in not supporting uprobes on it. The whole of
userspace shadow stacks only ever protects from userspace attacking
other userspace -- and that protection isn't changed by this.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-20 17:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-20 11:21 [PATCHv6 perf/core 00/22] uprobes: Add support to optimize usdt probes on x86_64 Jiri Olsa
2025-07-20 11:21 ` [PATCHv6 perf/core 01/22] uprobes: Remove breakpoint in unapply_uprobe under mmap_write_lock Jiri Olsa
2025-08-25 10:25   ` [tip: perf/core] " tip-bot2 for Jiri Olsa
2025-07-20 11:21 ` [PATCHv6 perf/core 02/22] uprobes: Rename arch_uretprobe_trampoline function Jiri Olsa
2025-08-25 10:25   ` [tip: perf/core] " tip-bot2 for Jiri Olsa
2025-07-20 11:21 ` [PATCHv6 perf/core 03/22] uprobes: Make copy_from_page global Jiri Olsa
2025-08-25 10:25   ` [tip: perf/core] " tip-bot2 for Jiri Olsa
2025-07-20 11:21 ` [PATCHv6 perf/core 04/22] uprobes: Add uprobe_write function Jiri Olsa
2025-08-25 10:25   ` [tip: perf/core] " tip-bot2 for Jiri Olsa
2025-07-20 11:21 ` [PATCHv6 perf/core 05/22] uprobes: Add nbytes argument to uprobe_write Jiri Olsa
2025-08-25 10:25   ` [tip: perf/core] " tip-bot2 for Jiri Olsa
2025-07-20 11:21 ` [PATCHv6 perf/core 06/22] uprobes: Add is_register argument to uprobe_write and uprobe_write_opcode Jiri Olsa
2025-08-25 10:25   ` [tip: perf/core] " tip-bot2 for Jiri Olsa
2025-07-20 11:21 ` [PATCHv6 perf/core 07/22] uprobes: Add do_ref_ctr argument to uprobe_write function Jiri Olsa
2025-08-25 10:25   ` [tip: perf/core] " tip-bot2 for Jiri Olsa
2025-07-20 11:21 ` [PATCHv6 perf/core 08/22] uprobes/x86: Add mapping for optimized uprobe trampolines Jiri Olsa
2025-08-19 14:53   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-08-20 12:18     ` Jiri Olsa
2025-08-25 10:25   ` [tip: perf/core] " tip-bot2 for Jiri Olsa
2025-07-20 11:21 ` [PATCHv6 perf/core 09/22] uprobes/x86: Add uprobe syscall to speed up uprobe Jiri Olsa
2025-07-20 11:38   ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-07-25 10:11   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-08-25 10:24   ` [tip: perf/core] " tip-bot2 for Jiri Olsa
2025-09-03 18:24   ` [PATCHv6 perf/core 09/22] " Andrii Nakryiko
2025-09-03 20:56     ` Jiri Olsa
2025-09-03 21:01       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-03 23:12         ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-09-04  7:56           ` Jiri Olsa
2025-09-04  9:39             ` Jann Horn
2025-09-04 14:03               ` Jiri Olsa
2025-09-04 18:32                 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-09-05 10:46                   ` Jiri Olsa
2025-09-05 18:44                     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-09-04  8:13     ` Jiri Olsa
2025-09-04 18:27       ` nop5-optimized USDTs WAS: " Andrii Nakryiko
2025-09-04 20:35         ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-04 20:49           ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-09-04 20:52             ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-04 21:44               ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-09-04 21:56                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-04 21:58                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-05  8:24                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-05  8:38                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-10 14:30                       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-07-20 11:21 ` [PATCHv6 perf/core 10/22] uprobes/x86: Add support to optimize uprobes Jiri Olsa
2025-07-25 10:13   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-07-28 21:34     ` Jiri Olsa
2025-08-08 17:44       ` Jiri Olsa
2025-08-19 19:17       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-08-20 12:19         ` Jiri Olsa
2025-08-19 19:15   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-08-20 12:19     ` Jiri Olsa
2025-08-20 13:01       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-08-20 12:30     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-08-20 15:58       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-20 17:12         ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2025-08-20 17:26           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-20 17:43             ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-08-20 18:04               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-20 21:38       ` Jiri Olsa
2025-09-03  6:48     ` Jiri Olsa
2025-08-25 10:24   ` [tip: perf/core] " tip-bot2 for Jiri Olsa
2025-07-20 11:21 ` [PATCHv6 perf/core 11/22] selftests/bpf: Import usdt.h from libbpf/usdt project Jiri Olsa
2025-08-25 10:24   ` [tip: perf/core] " tip-bot2 for Jiri Olsa
2025-07-20 11:21 ` [PATCHv6 perf/core 12/22] selftests/bpf: Reorg the uprobe_syscall test function Jiri Olsa
2025-08-25 10:24   ` [tip: perf/core] " tip-bot2 for Jiri Olsa
2025-07-20 11:21 ` [PATCHv6 perf/core 13/22] selftests/bpf: Rename uprobe_syscall_executed prog to test_uretprobe_multi Jiri Olsa
2025-08-25 10:24   ` [tip: perf/core] " tip-bot2 for Jiri Olsa
2025-07-20 11:21 ` [PATCHv6 perf/core 14/22] selftests/bpf: Add uprobe/usdt syscall tests Jiri Olsa
2025-08-25 10:24   ` [tip: perf/core] " tip-bot2 for Jiri Olsa
2025-07-20 11:21 ` [PATCHv6 perf/core 15/22] selftests/bpf: Add hit/attach/detach race optimized uprobe test Jiri Olsa
2025-08-25 10:24   ` [tip: perf/core] " tip-bot2 for Jiri Olsa
2025-07-20 11:21 ` [PATCHv6 perf/core 16/22] selftests/bpf: Add uprobe syscall sigill signal test Jiri Olsa
2025-08-25 10:24   ` [tip: perf/core] " tip-bot2 for Jiri Olsa
2025-07-20 11:21 ` [PATCHv6 perf/core 17/22] selftests/bpf: Add optimized usdt variant for basic usdt test Jiri Olsa
2025-08-25 10:24   ` [tip: perf/core] " tip-bot2 for Jiri Olsa
2025-07-20 11:21 ` [PATCHv6 perf/core 18/22] selftests/bpf: Add uprobe_regs_equal test Jiri Olsa
2025-08-25 10:24   ` [tip: perf/core] " tip-bot2 for Jiri Olsa
2025-07-20 11:21 ` [PATCHv6 perf/core 19/22] selftests/bpf: Change test_uretprobe_regs_change for uprobe and uretprobe Jiri Olsa
2025-08-25 10:24   ` [tip: perf/core] " tip-bot2 for Jiri Olsa
2025-07-20 11:21 ` [PATCHv6 perf/core 20/22] seccomp: passthrough uprobe systemcall without filtering Jiri Olsa
2025-08-25 10:24   ` [tip: perf/core] " tip-bot2 for Jiri Olsa
2025-07-20 11:21 ` [PATCHv6 perf/core 21/22] selftests/seccomp: validate uprobe syscall passes through seccomp Jiri Olsa
2025-08-25 10:24   ` [tip: perf/core] " tip-bot2 for Jiri Olsa
2025-07-20 11:21 ` [PATCHv5 22/22] man2: Add uprobe syscall page Jiri Olsa

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