From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from smtp3.osuosl.org (smtp3.osuosl.org [140.211.166.136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 410A3CA0EED for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2025 14:23:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E677360B9C; Fri, 22 Aug 2025 14:23:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavis at osuosl.org Received: from smtp3.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp3.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavis, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5-VO9Hvk0ZW6; Fri, 22 Aug 2025 14:23:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Comment: SPF check N/A for local connections - client-ip=140.211.166.142; helo=lists1.osuosl.org; envelope-from=intel-wired-lan-bounces@osuosl.org; receiver= DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp3.osuosl.org 6E65460BAF DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=osuosl.org; s=default; t=1755872612; bh=moMmqop6+f6ZK5sFf/agXhFIAtVK5/F3FGWxEjPLyYw=; h=Date:From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-Id: List-Unsubscribe:List-Archive:List-Post:List-Help:List-Subscribe: Cc:From; b=3cMIxIyuItKG7HFDIdx+iZxSHH1BIWS5neSQCahz1N++0pPLoAXJpXRbtQvN+qpVQ GwWl3etQ9zX5QMc2+VS6xLg+Nbx7BbzslGRWQ8KabrlJXVQDdSoq4YSEcy/6C73HL4 xF24vz8bQpNIA2PwXhruAMp9FEls/UWgCJZJQHAfB+fQdcz9mL+1Nyj8djJ79bbRRL mpGIQcBqebPQ7ZaKgeG/w3MJhO4vaSafU+Sbk/Iv6g9wNkj3lxQ223tSlowT4bCsyi G0+p5YvcKZzvRwa1ldEhqwE1SCcLpTzjpgPzel6cgRgGXKa4ZOVmyT1G1NCP/3WfSg 5Aj87VhFswVEw== Received: from lists1.osuosl.org (lists1.osuosl.org [140.211.166.142]) by smtp3.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E65460BAF; Fri, 22 Aug 2025 14:23:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp3.osuosl.org (smtp3.osuosl.org [140.211.166.136]) by lists1.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE784D8 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2025 14:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C094760B9C for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2025 14:23:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavis at osuosl.org Received: from smtp3.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp3.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavis, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7-D4WGE0JTPy for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2025 14:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Received-SPF: Pass (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=2604:1380:4641:c500::1; helo=dfw.source.kernel.org; envelope-from=kuba@kernel.org; receiver= DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 smtp3.osuosl.org 474BD60BAF DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp3.osuosl.org 474BD60BAF Received: from dfw.source.kernel.org (dfw.source.kernel.org [IPv6:2604:1380:4641:c500::1]) by smtp3.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 474BD60BAF for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2025 14:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.kernel.org (transwarp.subspace.kernel.org [100.75.92.58]) by dfw.source.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 302D85C6EFE; Fri, 22 Aug 2025 14:23:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 77710C4CEED; Fri, 22 Aug 2025 14:23:27 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2025 07:23:26 -0700 From: Jakub Kicinski To: Calvin Owens Message-ID: <20250822072326.725475ef@kernel.org> In-Reply-To: References: <94d7d5c0bb4fc171154ccff36e85261a9f186923.1755661118.git.calvin@wbinvd.org> <8f077022-e98a-4e30-901b-7e014fe5d5b2@intel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1755872607; bh=NRmbokerOkaoNwUm/ECSYcST0Xx0kquTkzlGfTjqUAo=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=qKwv2MBGVd60tTdMjme/4HLd0iQIXLtwZmOtuD2UVfs5ZQEvImFR6TMHfvyxbnsFg B4CM5hMy0a4F2JmlzB2iTbhE3hTp0QgAareINSGbG8HzmMArh9KJxfigR197iBtoyr SUQdMXSaY2xt/JiVqShNh7EYBSMVASHgTEpiZmLa1EMiAmi1TXe82jp4zRkxh2tqaN Y9lOoCsTcUnwSh/j8iwN58YjrKBbNppGWw4IaERnrzbZCK/R8jqvCI9P7U/XeYGDmA E2C7RBa3YXRNlVFQOrbrfnjoCyXsgngRIvtX4m4r+LlgmwQTY0FCJXDkOCvn29HvZ3 RRO9yeZQfePhw== X-Mailman-Original-Authentication-Results: smtp3.osuosl.org; dmarc=pass (p=quarantine dis=none) header.from=kernel.org X-Mailman-Original-Authentication-Results: smtp3.osuosl.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key, unprotected) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=k20201202 header.b=qKwv2MBG Subject: Re: [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH net] i40e: Prevent unwanted interface name changes X-BeenThere: intel-wired-lan@osuosl.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.30 Precedence: list List-Id: Intel Wired Ethernet Linux Kernel Driver Development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Ivan Vecera , Przemek Kitszel , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jedrzej Jagielski , Andrew Lunn , Eric Dumazet , Tony Nguyen , netdev@vger.kernel.org, intel-wired-lan@lists.osuosl.org, Paolo Abeni , "David S. Miller" Errors-To: intel-wired-lan-bounces@osuosl.org Sender: "Intel-wired-lan" On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 21:23:20 -0700 Calvin Owens wrote: > > > If you actually have data on that, obviously that's different. But it > > > sounds like you're guessing just like I am. > > > > I could only guess about other OS Vendors, one could check it also > > for Ubuntu in their public git, but I don't think we need more data, as > > ultimate judge here are Stable Maintainers > > Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree, it's udev after all that decides to > read the thing in /sys and name the interfaces differently because it's > there... Yeah, that's my feeling. Ideally there should be a systemd-networkd setting that let's user opt out of adding the phys_port_name on interfaces. 99% of users will not benefit from these, new drivers or old. We're kinda making everyone suffer for the 1% :( From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38DC830BF6B; Fri, 22 Aug 2025 14:23:27 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1755872608; cv=none; b=iEsle9sNGCO/R91+sSBG59So8NI+X3MNYxmVkBUUGtuyDcyFD73ZDDcuUeyQl0L7TkkHfgfrOVFAVtxtLvzZu0ySh1Xm/LqCB+uGCosENPaWoh6gQGUaZ55xoXwoiapI2ijkgvkePyuWOzXhf8gYJtWfYRJTRP5qusz7fXX9X6E= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1755872608; c=relaxed/simple; bh=NRmbokerOkaoNwUm/ECSYcST0Xx0kquTkzlGfTjqUAo=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ei87yKKi9K+a34nkzNK9szqxOW+5l99IhgySSLXPLTb9hoJuDzoVZ0vo7/uXiKVuE+XdnM4bagu51UOY0cO9bCis2/7UUKR71Sfb+OzinQKyNYdWUmIZM1lvZs1nb+h1r1QUobbFaN1dC1QBrjQtpoI5Qn6/R1jN1HuuARV5gYg= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=qKwv2MBG; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="qKwv2MBG" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 77710C4CEED; Fri, 22 Aug 2025 14:23:27 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1755872607; bh=NRmbokerOkaoNwUm/ECSYcST0Xx0kquTkzlGfTjqUAo=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=qKwv2MBGVd60tTdMjme/4HLd0iQIXLtwZmOtuD2UVfs5ZQEvImFR6TMHfvyxbnsFg B4CM5hMy0a4F2JmlzB2iTbhE3hTp0QgAareINSGbG8HzmMArh9KJxfigR197iBtoyr SUQdMXSaY2xt/JiVqShNh7EYBSMVASHgTEpiZmLa1EMiAmi1TXe82jp4zRkxh2tqaN Y9lOoCsTcUnwSh/j8iwN58YjrKBbNppGWw4IaERnrzbZCK/R8jqvCI9P7U/XeYGDmA E2C7RBa3YXRNlVFQOrbrfnjoCyXsgngRIvtX4m4r+LlgmwQTY0FCJXDkOCvn29HvZ3 RRO9yeZQfePhw== Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2025 07:23:26 -0700 From: Jakub Kicinski To: Calvin Owens Cc: Przemek Kitszel , Michal Schmidt , netdev@vger.kernel.org, Tony Nguyen , Andrew Lunn , "David S. Miller" , Eric Dumazet , Paolo Abeni , Jedrzej Jagielski , Ivan Vecera , intel-wired-lan@lists.osuosl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH net] i40e: Prevent unwanted interface name changes Message-ID: <20250822072326.725475ef@kernel.org> In-Reply-To: References: <94d7d5c0bb4fc171154ccff36e85261a9f186923.1755661118.git.calvin@wbinvd.org> <8f077022-e98a-4e30-901b-7e014fe5d5b2@intel.com> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: netdev@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 21:23:20 -0700 Calvin Owens wrote: > > > If you actually have data on that, obviously that's different. But it > > > sounds like you're guessing just like I am. > > > > I could only guess about other OS Vendors, one could check it also > > for Ubuntu in their public git, but I don't think we need more data, as > > ultimate judge here are Stable Maintainers > > Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree, it's udev after all that decides to > read the thing in /sys and name the interfaces differently because it's > there... Yeah, that's my feeling. Ideally there should be a systemd-networkd setting that let's user opt out of adding the phys_port_name on interfaces. 99% of users will not benefit from these, new drivers or old. We're kinda making everyone suffer for the 1% :(