From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
David Vernet <void@manifault.com>,
Changwoo Min <changwoo@igalia.com>, Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
sched-ext@lists.linux.dev, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Luca Abeni <luca.abeni@santannapisa.it>,
Yuri Andriaccio <yurand2000@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 05/16] sched/deadline: Return EBUSY if dl_bw_cpus is zero
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2025 22:05:20 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250903200520.GN4067720@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aLhWh9_bJ5oKlQ3O@jlelli-thinkpadt14gen4.remote.csb>
On Wed, Sep 03, 2025 at 04:53:59PM +0200, Juri Lelli wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 03/09/25 11:33, Andrea Righi wrote:
> > From: Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>
> >
> > Hotplugged CPUs coming online do an enqueue but are not a part of any
> > root domain containing cpu_active() CPUs. So in this case, don't mess
> > with accounting and we can retry later. Without this patch, we see
> > crashes with sched_ext selftest's hotplug test due to divide by zero.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>
> > ---
> > kernel/sched/deadline.c | 7 ++++++-
> > 1 file changed, 6 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> >
> > diff --git a/kernel/sched/deadline.c b/kernel/sched/deadline.c
> > index 3c478a1b2890d..753e50b1e86fc 100644
> > --- a/kernel/sched/deadline.c
> > +++ b/kernel/sched/deadline.c
> > @@ -1689,7 +1689,12 @@ int dl_server_apply_params(struct sched_dl_entity *dl_se, u64 runtime, u64 perio
> > cpus = dl_bw_cpus(cpu);
> > cap = dl_bw_capacity(cpu);
> >
> > - if (__dl_overflow(dl_b, cap, old_bw, new_bw))
> > + /*
> > + * Hotplugged CPUs coming online do an enqueue but are not a part of any
> > + * root domain containing cpu_active() CPUs. So in this case, don't mess
> > + * with accounting and we can retry later.
> > + */
> > + if (!cpus || __dl_overflow(dl_b, cap, old_bw, new_bw))
> > return -EBUSY;
> >
> > if (init) {
>
> Yuri is proposing to ignore dl-servers bandwidth contribution from
> admission control (as they essentially operate on the remaining
> bandwidth portion not available to RT/DEADLINE tasks):
>
> https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20250903114448.664452-1-yurand2000@gmail.com/
>
> His patch should make this patch not required. Would you be able and
> willing to test this assumption?
>
> I don't believe Peter already expressed his opinion on what Yuri is
> proposing, so this might be moot.
Urgh, yeah, I don't like that at all. That reasoning makes no sense what
so ever. That 5% is not lost time, that 5% is being very optimistic and
'models' otherwise unaccountable time like IRQ and random overheads.
Thinking you can give out 100% CPU time to a bandwidth limited group of
tasks is delusional.
Explicitly not accounting things that you *can* is just plain wrong. So
no, Yuri's thing is not going to go anywhere.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-09-03 20:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-09-03 9:33 [PATCHSET v8 sched_ext/for-6.18] Add a deadline server for sched_ext tasks Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 9:33 ` [PATCH 01/16] sched_ext: Exit early on hotplug events during attach Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 19:44 ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-03 21:40 ` Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 9:33 ` [PATCH 02/16] sched/debug: Fix updating of ppos on server write ops Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 9:33 ` [PATCH 03/16] sched/debug: Stop and start server based on if it was active Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 14:43 ` Juri Lelli
2025-09-03 15:02 ` Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 9:33 ` [PATCH 04/16] sched/deadline: Clear the defer params Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 14:44 ` Juri Lelli
2025-09-03 9:33 ` [PATCH 05/16] sched/deadline: Return EBUSY if dl_bw_cpus is zero Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 14:53 ` Juri Lelli
2025-09-03 15:10 ` Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 15:15 ` Juri Lelli
2025-09-03 15:24 ` Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 20:05 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2025-09-04 7:12 ` luca abeni
2025-09-04 7:17 ` Juri Lelli
2025-09-03 9:33 ` [PATCH 06/16] sched: Add a server arg to dl_server_update_idle_time() Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 9:33 ` [PATCH 07/16] sched_ext: Add a DL server for sched_ext tasks Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 19:54 ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-03 20:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-03 20:41 ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-03 20:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-04 20:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-04 21:43 ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-04 22:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-10 16:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-03 21:33 ` Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 9:33 ` [PATCH 08/16] sched/debug: Add support to change sched_ext server params Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 9:33 ` [PATCH 09/16] sched/deadline: Add support to remove DL server's bandwidth contribution Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 9:33 ` [PATCH 10/16] sched/deadline: Account ext server bandwidth Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 9:33 ` [PATCH 11/16] sched/deadline: Allow to initialize DL server when needed Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 9:33 ` [PATCH 12/16] sched_ext: Selectively enable ext and fair DL servers Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 9:33 ` [PATCH 13/16] sched/deadline: Fix DL server crash in inactive_timer callback Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 9:33 ` [PATCH 14/16] sched/deadline: De-couple balance and pick_task Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 9:33 ` [PATCH 15/16] selftests/sched_ext: Add test for sched_ext dl_server Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 9:33 ` [PATCH 16/16] selftests/sched_ext: Add test for DL server total_bw consistency Andrea Righi
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