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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Aaron Lu <ziqianlu@bytedance.com>
Cc: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>,
	Chengming Zhou <chengming.zhou@linux.dev>,
	Josh Don <joshdon@google.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Xi Wang <xii@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Chuyi Zhou <zhouchuyi@bytedance.com>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	Florian Bezdeka <florian.bezdeka@siemens.com>,
	Songtang Liu <liusongtang@bytedance.com>,
	Chen Yu <yu.c.chen@intel.com>,
	Matteo Martelli <matteo.martelli@codethink.co.uk>,
	Michal Koutn?? <mkoutny@suse.com>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3/5] sched/fair: Switch to task based throttle model
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2025 14:53:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250905125328.GU3245006@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250905113719.GL42@bytedance>

On Fri, Sep 05, 2025 at 07:37:19PM +0800, Aaron Lu wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> 
> On Thu, Sep 04, 2025 at 03:04:07PM +0800, Aaron Lu wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 04, 2025 at 11:14:31AM +0530, K Prateek Nayak wrote:
> > > On 9/4/2025 1:57 AM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > > So this is mostly tasks leaving/joining the class/cgroup. And its
> > > > purpose seems to be to remove/add the blocked load component.
> > > > 
> > > > Previously throttle/unthrottle would {de,en}queue the whole subtree from
> > > > PELT, see how {en,de}queue would also stop at throttle.
> > > > 
> > > > But now none of that is done; PELT is fully managed by the tasks
> > > > {de,en}queueing.
> > > > 
> > > > So I'm thinking that when a task joins fair (deboost from RT or
> > > > whatever), we add the blocking load and fully propagate it. If the task
> > > > is subject to throttling, that will then happen 'naturally' and it will
> > > > dequeue itself again.
> > > 
> > > That seems like the correct thing to do yes. Those throttled_cfs_rq()
> > > checks in propagate_entity_cfs_rq() can be removed then.
> > >
> > 
> > Not sure if I understand correctly, I've come to the below code
> > according to your discussion:
> >
> 
> Does the below diff look sane to you? If so, shall I send a separate
> patch on top or fold it in patch3 and send an updated patch3?

Yeah, I suppose that works. Please send a follow up patch. It would also
be good to have a comment that explains why we need that list_add_leaf
thing. I think I see, but I'm sure I'll have forgotten all next time I
see this code.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-05 12:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-29  8:11 [PATCH v4 0/5] Defer throttle when task exits to user Aaron Lu
2025-08-29  8:11 ` [PATCH v4 1/5] sched/fair: Add related data structure for task based throttle Aaron Lu
2025-09-03  8:05   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Valentin Schneider
2025-08-29  8:11 ` [PATCH v4 2/5] sched/fair: Implement throttle task work and related helpers Aaron Lu
2025-09-03  8:05   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Valentin Schneider
2025-08-29  8:11 ` [PATCH v4 3/5] sched/fair: Switch to task based throttle model Aaron Lu
2025-09-03  8:05   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Valentin Schneider
2025-09-03 14:51   ` [PATCH v4 3/5] " Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-03 17:12     ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-03 20:27       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-04  5:44         ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-04  7:04           ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-05 11:37             ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-05 12:53               ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2025-09-08 11:05                 ` [PATCH] sched/fair: Propagate load for throttled cfs_rq Aaron Lu
2025-09-09  4:20                   ` kernel test robot
2025-09-09  6:17                     ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-09  6:22                       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-09  6:27                         ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-10  9:55                           ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-03 20:46       ` [PATCH v4 3/5] sched/fair: Switch to task based throttle model Benjamin Segall
2025-09-04  6:03         ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-09  4:10           ` Benjamin Segall
2025-09-04  8:16         ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-04  9:51           ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-04 11:05             ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-04 14:20               ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-09  3:58               ` Benjamin Segall
2025-09-09 12:03                 ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-10  3:03               ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-04 12:04           ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-05  7:53             ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-03 20:55   ` Benjamin Segall
2025-09-04 11:26     ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-04 11:30       ` Aaron Lu
2025-08-29  8:11 ` [PATCH v4 4/5] sched/fair: Task based throttle time accounting Aaron Lu
2025-09-03  8:05   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Aaron Lu
2025-08-29  8:11 ` [PATCH v4 5/5] sched/fair: Get rid of throttled_lb_pair() Aaron Lu
2025-09-03  8:05   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Aaron Lu
2025-09-01 10:03 ` [PATCH v4 0/5] Defer throttle when task exits to user Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-02  8:59 ` Bezdeka, Florian
2025-12-02  9:43   ` Aaron Lu
2025-12-02 10:09     ` Florian Bezdeka
2025-12-02 12:01       ` Aaron Lu

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