From: Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.com>, ksummit@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Annotating patches containing AI-assisted code
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2025 16:30:30 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <202509161626.AA26A66@keescook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250916102022.5bc75a36@gandalf.local.home>
On Tue, Sep 16, 2025 at 10:20:22AM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 11:01:46 -0700
> Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> > So, what I mean to say is it's certainly useful to declare "I used a
> > chisel", but that for long running sessions it becomes kind of pointless
> > to include much more than a general gist of what the process was. This
> > immediately gets at the "trust" part of this thread making the mentioned
> > "human understanding the generated code" a central issue. How should that
> > be expressed? Our existing commit logs don't do a lot of "show your work"
> > right now, but rather focus on the why/what of a change, and less "how did
> > I write this". It's not strictly absent (some commit logs discuss what
> > alternatives were tried and eliminated, for example), but we've tended
> > to look only at final results and instead use trust in contributors as
> > a stand-in for "prove to me you understand what you've changed".
>
> I don't think anyone cares if you used AI to help you understand the
> situation or to test your work. But if you had a robot build you the fish
> and you handed that in as your own work, that would be deceptive.
Right, but the LLMs aren't used strictly as a "workflow" assistant. Do
we want to say "I used the chisel to remove a big hunk of wood you can't
see at all in the fish."
Perhaps the issue is to just over-explain when the LLM is in use for
now, and we (as a developer community) will collectively figure out what
turns out to be unimportant or redundant over time. But this can't be
done with a trailer tag: we're going to need relatively verbose notes
in the commit log.
--
Kees Cook
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Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-08-05 15:38 [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Annotating patches containing AI-assisted code Jiri Kosina
2025-08-05 17:50 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-05 18:00 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-05 18:16 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-05 21:53 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-05 22:41 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-05 18:34 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-05 22:06 ` Alexandre Belloni
2025-08-05 18:32 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-08 8:31 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-08-11 21:46 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-11 21:57 ` Luck, Tony
2025-08-11 22:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-11 22:45 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-08-11 22:52 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-11 22:54 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-08-11 23:03 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-12 15:47 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-12 16:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-11 22:28 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-12 15:49 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-12 16:03 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-08-12 16:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-12 16:17 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-08-12 17:12 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-12 17:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-11 22:11 ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-08-11 22:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-11 23:22 ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-08-11 23:42 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-12 0:02 ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-08-12 2:49 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-18 21:41 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-20 21:48 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-12 16:01 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-12 16:22 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-18 21:23 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-19 15:25 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-19 16:27 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-20 22:03 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-21 10:54 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-08-21 11:46 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-12 8:38 ` James Bottomley
2025-08-12 13:15 ` Bird, Tim
2025-08-12 14:31 ` Greg KH
2025-08-18 21:12 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-19 15:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-12 14:42 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-12 15:55 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-18 21:07 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-19 15:15 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-19 15:23 ` James Bottomley
2025-08-19 16:16 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-20 21:44 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-21 10:23 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-21 16:50 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-21 17:30 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-21 17:36 ` Luck, Tony
2025-08-21 18:01 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-21 19:03 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-21 19:45 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-21 21:21 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-21 21:32 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-21 21:49 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-21 17:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-21 18:32 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-21 19:07 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-21 19:52 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-21 21:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-22 7:55 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-08-21 20:38 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-21 21:18 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-21 20:46 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-18 17:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-08-18 18:32 ` James Bottomley
2025-08-19 15:14 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-18 19:13 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-18 19:19 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-18 19:44 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-08-18 19:47 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-18 22:44 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-06 8:17 ` Dan Carpenter
2025-08-06 10:13 ` Mark Brown
2025-08-12 14:36 ` Ben Dooks
2025-09-15 18:01 ` Kees Cook
2025-09-15 18:29 ` dan.j.williams
2025-09-16 15:36 ` James Bottomley
2025-09-16 9:39 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-09-16 15:31 ` James Bottomley
2025-09-16 14:20 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-09-16 15:00 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-16 15:48 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-09-16 16:06 ` Luck, Tony
2025-09-16 16:58 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-09-16 23:30 ` Kees Cook [this message]
2025-09-17 15:16 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-09-17 17:02 ` Laurent Pinchart
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