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From: Heiko Carstens <hca@linux.ibm.com>
To: Claudio Imbrenda <imbrenda@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
	frankja@linux.ibm.com, nsg@linux.ibm.com, nrb@linux.ibm.com,
	seiden@linux.ibm.com, schlameuss@linux.ibm.com,
	svens@linux.ibm.com, agordeev@linux.ibm.com, david@redhat.com,
	gerald.schaefer@linux.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 08/20] KVM: s390: KVM page table management functions: allocation
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2025 14:30:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250917123006.7515C59-hca@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250917132556.4814fe98@p-imbrenda>

On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 01:25:56PM +0200, Claudio Imbrenda wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Sep 2025 09:27:33 +0200
> Heiko Carstens <hca@linux.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Sep 16, 2025 at 07:36:44PM +0200, Heiko Carstens wrote:
> > > On Tue, Sep 16, 2025 at 07:06:06PM +0200, Christian Borntraeger wrote:  
> > > > 
> > > > Am 16.09.25 um 19:05 schrieb Claudio Imbrenda:
> > > >   
> > > > > > > I think GFP_ATOMIC actually gives more guarantees?  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > In real life GFP_ATOMIC can fail, GFP_KERNEL does not.All gfp allocation failures
> > > > > > are usually the atomic ones.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > interesting... then I guess I need GFP_KERNEL | GFP_ATOMIC ?  
> > > > 
> > > > No. ATOMIC always means: can fail. 
> 
> my issue is that GFP_KERNEL can sleep, and this allocation is sometimes
> called from atomic contexts (e.g. while holding spinlocks)
> 
> the right way to do this would be with mempools, to allocate memory
> (and potentially sleep) when we are not in atomic context, and use it
> whenever needed. this is on my to-do list for the future, but right now
> I'd like to avoid having to refactor a ton of code.

I doubt this is accetable even for an intermediate solution. As soon
as the host is under memory pressure and starts doing I/O to free up
memory, you will end up in -ENOMEM situations for simple guest page
allocations.

What happens with a guest in such a situation? Is this gracefully
handled without that the guest is terminated?

> > Another correction: it should be GFP_KERNEL_ACCOUNT instead, like it
> > used to be before in gmap_alloc_crst() since those page tables should
> > be accounted to the process which is allocating them.
> 
> gfp_types.h says:
> 
>  * %GFP_KERNEL_ACCOUNT is the same as GFP_KERNEL, except the allocation is
>  * accounted to kmemcg.
> 
> I thought that without GFP_KERNEL_ACCOUNT, it would be accounted toward
> the process?
> The documentation is a little confusing here

Documentation/core-api/memory-allocation.rst:

  * Untrusted allocations triggered from userspace should be a subject
    of kmem accounting and must have ``__GFP_ACCOUNT`` bit set. There
    is the handy ``GFP_KERNEL_ACCOUNT`` shortcut for ``GFP_KERNEL``
    allocations that should be accounted.

This is done for all page table allocations, except if mm == init_mm
(and unfortunately also not for the s390 specific crste alloc
functions - I'll send a patch for that).

  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-17 12:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-10 18:07 [PATCH v2 00/20] KVM: s390: gmap rewrite, the real deal Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-10 18:07 ` [PATCH v2 01/20] KVM: s390: add P bit in table entry bitfields, move union vaddress Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-10 18:07 ` [PATCH v2 02/20] s390: Move sske_frame() to a header Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-10 18:07 ` [PATCH v2 03/20] KVM: s390: Add gmap_helper_set_unused() Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-11  8:38   ` Nico Boehr
2025-09-12  9:17   ` Nina Schoetterl-Glausch
2025-09-15 11:33     ` Claudio Imbrenda
2025-10-27 18:00       ` Nina Schoetterl-Glausch
2025-09-10 18:07 ` [PATCH v2 04/20] KVM: s390: Enable KVM_GENERIC_MMU_NOTIFIER Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-10 18:07 ` [PATCH v2 05/20] KVM: s390: Add helper functions for fault handling Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-12 17:56   ` Nina Schoetterl-Glausch
2025-09-15 11:49     ` Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-18 14:19   ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-18 14:46     ` Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-18 14:41   ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-18 15:10     ` Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-10 18:07 ` [PATCH v2 06/20] KVM: s390: Rename some functions in gaccess.c Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-10 18:07 ` [PATCH v2 07/20] KVM: s390: KVM-specific bitfields and helper functions Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-17 12:18   ` Heiko Carstens
2025-09-17 12:51     ` Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-10 18:07 ` [PATCH v2 08/20] KVM: s390: KVM page table management functions: allocation Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-11  8:22   ` Janosch Frank
2025-09-11  8:43     ` Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-16 16:26   ` Heiko Carstens
2025-09-16 16:47     ` Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-16 17:01       ` Christian Borntraeger
2025-09-16 17:05         ` Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-16 17:06           ` Christian Borntraeger
2025-09-16 17:36             ` Heiko Carstens
2025-09-17  7:27               ` Heiko Carstens
2025-09-17 11:25                 ` Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-17 12:30                   ` Heiko Carstens [this message]
2025-09-17 13:11                     ` Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-17 13:26                       ` Christian Borntraeger
2025-09-17 14:00                         ` Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-17 14:05                           ` Christian Borntraeger
2025-09-17 14:11                             ` Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-17 17:08                             ` Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-17 13:31                       ` Heiko Carstens
2025-09-17 14:00                         ` Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-17 12:12               ` Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-10 18:07 ` [PATCH v2 09/20] KVM: s390: KVM page table management functions: clear and replace Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-11 12:57   ` Janosch Frank
2025-09-11 13:19     ` Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-11 13:27       ` Janosch Frank
2025-09-16 15:56         ` Heiko Carstens
2025-09-16 16:47   ` Heiko Carstens
2025-09-16 17:04     ` Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-16 17:27       ` Heiko Carstens
2025-09-10 18:07 ` [PATCH v2 10/20] KVM: s390: KVM page table management functions: walks Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-11 12:56   ` Janosch Frank
2025-09-11 13:14     ` Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-12  5:47       ` Gerd Bayer
2025-09-16 16:22   ` Heiko Carstens
2025-09-16 16:48     ` Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-16 17:24       ` Heiko Carstens
2025-09-17 11:14         ` Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-17 12:55   ` Heiko Carstens
2025-09-17 13:13     ` Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-17 13:24       ` Heiko Carstens
2025-09-17 14:01         ` Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-10 18:07 ` [PATCH v2 11/20] KVM: s390: KVM page table management functions: storage keys Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-10 18:07 ` [PATCH v2 12/20] KVM: s390: KVM page table management functions: lifecycle management Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-10 18:07 ` [PATCH v2 13/20] KVM: s390: KVM page table management functions: CMMA Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-10 18:07 ` [PATCH v2 14/20] KVM: s390: New gmap code Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-10 18:07 ` [PATCH v2 15/20] KVM: s390: Stop using CONFIG_PGSTE Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-16  7:45   ` Steffen Eiden
2025-09-10 18:07 ` [PATCH v2 16/20] KVM: s390: Switch to new gmap Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-17 13:20   ` Heiko Carstens
2025-09-10 18:07 ` [PATCH v2 17/20] KVM: s390: Remove gmap from s390/mm Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-10 18:07 ` [PATCH v2 18/20] KVM: S390: Remove PGSTE code from linux/s390 mm Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-16  7:30   ` Steffen Eiden
2025-09-16  9:24     ` Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-10 18:07 ` [PATCH v2 19/20] KVM: s390: Enable 1M pages for gmap Claudio Imbrenda
2025-09-10 18:07 ` [PATCH v2 20/20] KVM: s390: Storage key manipulation IOCTL Claudio Imbrenda

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