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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: virtio-comment@lists.linux.dev, lulu@redhat.com,
	nguyenlienviet@google.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] virtio-net: introduce TSO limit feature
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2025 02:17:35 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251016021717-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACGkMEt77EDs4MKo9RSnXRxuVD8hZFca+W3mAxv6sQ3sWN-xZw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 16, 2025 at 01:46:58PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2025 at 3:02 PM Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 15, 2025 at 12:29:13PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2025 at 4:59 PM Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > thanks for the patch! yet something to improve.
> > > > I note issues only when encountered 1st time but please
> > > > do go and check all patch for each issue.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2025 at 12:22:43PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > > > This patch introduces TSO limit feature which allows the device to
> > > > > advertise:
> > > > >
> > > > > - Maximum TCP length of a TSO packet or inner TSO packet when UDP
> > > > >   tunnel is support
> > > > > - Maximum number of segment that can be produced by the device after
> > > > >   segmentation of TSO or inner TSO packet of a UDP tunnel
> > > > >
> > > > > This is a must to implement TCP jumbogram, as networking stack needs
> > > > > to know the limitation of the device in order to produce TSO packet as
> > > > > large as possible.
> >
> >
> > Maybe you can provide an overview of how this all is used?
> 
> Sure, this feature does not implement BIG TCP (jumbogram) itself. BIG
> TCP requires a little bit more to be implemented:
> 
> 1) new gso_type for jumbogram
> 2) when TCP length exceeds 64K, we should mandate ip->tot_len to be
> zero and device can judge from the length of the buffer
> 3) other stuffs
> 
> I guess this is something that Viet wants to work on.
> 
> But before BIG TCP, the driver needs to know the device limitation of
> TSO packets. That is what this patch did. BIG TCP is not the only
> user, it could be used in the software datapath as well. Consider a
> simple datapath:
> 
> virtio-net -> TAP -> bridge -> eth0
> 
> If eth0's tso_max_size is less than 64K, we need to advertise this to
> virtio-net otherwise 64K gso packets will be segmented by software run
> xmit in eth0. We've encountered this in collaboration with mana and
> virtio-net/vhost.


Well then pls update with the real motivation.


> > I am looking at tcp_fragment and I just do not see
> > where it looks at any device limits.
> >
> 
> It works like a device advertising tso_max_size/segs, and it is capped
> by gso_max_size/segs. The gso_max_size/segs were the ones that are
> used by the stack to determine the skb->len.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> > --
> > MST
> >


  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-16  6:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-14  4:22 [PATCH] virtio-net: introduce TSO limit feature Jason Wang
2025-10-14  8:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-10-15  4:29   ` Jason Wang
2025-10-15  7:01     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-10-16  5:46       ` Jason Wang
2025-10-16  6:17         ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2025-10-16  6:19         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-10-16  6:22           ` Jason Wang
2025-10-16 10:16             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-10-15  7:27     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-10-16  5:57       ` Jason Wang
2025-10-16  6:17         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-10-16  6:31           ` Jason Wang
2025-10-16 10:02             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-10-20  6:25               ` Jason Wang
2025-10-20  8:19                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-10-21  3:01                   ` Jason Wang

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