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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Oleksij Rempel <o.rempel@pengutronix.de>
Cc: Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>, Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>,
	Donald Hunter <donald.hunter@gmail.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Heiner Kallweit <hkallweit1@gmail.com>,
	Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Kory Maincent <kory.maincent@bootlin.com>,
	Maxime Chevallier <maxime.chevallier@bootlin.com>,
	Nishanth Menon <nm@ti.com>,
	kernel@pengutronix.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, UNGLinuxDriver@microchip.com,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, Michal Kubecek <mkubecek@suse.cz>,
	Roan van Dijk <roan@protonic.nl>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v7 3/5] ethtool: netlink: add lightweight MSE reporting to LINKSTATE_GET
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2025 18:10:12 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251023181012.6bf107a6@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251020103147.2626645-4-o.rempel@pengutronix.de>

On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 12:31:45 +0200 Oleksij Rempel wrote:
> Extend ETHTOOL_MSG_LINKSTATE_GET to optionally return a simplified
> Mean Square Error (MSE) reading alongside existing link status fields.
> 
> The new attributes are:
>   - ETHTOOL_A_LINKSTATE_MSE_VALUE: current average MSE value
>   - ETHTOOL_A_LINKSTATE_MSE_MAX: scale limit for the reported value
>   - ETHTOOL_A_LINKSTATE_MSE_CHANNEL: source channel selector
> 
> This path reuses the PHY MSE core API (struct phy_mse_capability and
> struct phy_mse_snapshot), but only retrieves a single value intended for
> quick link-health checks:
>   * If the PHY supports a WORST channel selector, report its current
>     average MSE.
>   * Otherwise, if LINK-wide measurements are supported, report those.
>   * If neither is available, omit the attributes.
> 
> Unlike the full MSE_GET interface, LINKSTATE_GET does not expose
> per-channel or peak/worst-peak values and incurs minimal overhead.
> Drivers that implement get_mse_capability() / get_mse_snapshot() will
> automatically populate this data.
> 
> The intent is to provide tooling with a "fast path" health indicator
> without issuing a separate MSE_GET request, though the long-term overlap
> with the full interface may need reevaluation.

I don't think this justification is sufficient, we don't normally
duplicate information in uAPI to make user space have to issue
fewer calls. ethtool $link already issues a number of calls to
the kernel.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-24  1:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-20 10:31 [PATCH net-next v7 0/5] ethtool: introduce PHY MSE diagnostics UAPI and drivers Oleksij Rempel
2025-10-20 10:31 ` [PATCH net-next v7 1/5] ethtool: introduce core UAPI and driver API for PHY MSE diagnostics Oleksij Rempel
2025-10-20 10:31 ` [PATCH net-next v7 2/5] ethtool: netlink: add ETHTOOL_MSG_MSE_GET and wire up PHY MSE access Oleksij Rempel
2025-10-23  9:10   ` Paolo Abeni
2025-10-24  1:13   ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-10-24 13:18     ` Oleksij Rempel
2025-10-24 23:12       ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-10-25  5:37         ` Oleksij Rempel
2025-10-20 10:31 ` [PATCH net-next v7 3/5] ethtool: netlink: add lightweight MSE reporting to LINKSTATE_GET Oleksij Rempel
2025-10-24  1:10   ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2025-10-20 10:31 ` [PATCH net-next v7 4/5] net: phy: micrel: add MSE interface support for KSZ9477 family Oleksij Rempel
2025-10-20 10:31 ` [PATCH net-next v7 5/5] net: phy: dp83td510: add MSE interface support for 10BASE-T1L Oleksij Rempel

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