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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: "Nirjhar Roy (IBM)" <nirjhar.roy.lists@gmail.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Carlos Maiolino <cem@kernel.org>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	"Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-raid@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] xfs: fallback to buffered I/O for direct I/O when stable writes are required
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2025 14:59:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251110135932.GA11277@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7f7163d79dc89ae8c8d1157ce969b369acbcfb5d.camel@gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 07:08:05PM +0530, Nirjhar Roy (IBM) wrote:
> Minor: Let us say that an user opens a file in O_DIRECT in an atomic
> write enabled device(requiring stable writes), we get this warning
> once. Now the same/different user/application opens another file
> with O_DIRECT in the same atomic write enabled device and expects
> atomic write to be enabled - but it will not be enabled (since the
> kernel has falled back to the uncached buffered write path)
> without any warning message. Won't that be a bit confusing for the
> user (of course unless the user is totally aware of the kernel's exact
> behavior)?

The kernel with this patch should reject IOCB_ATOMIC writes because
the FMODE_CAN_ATOMIC_WRITE is not set when we need to fallback.

But anyway, based on the feedback in this thread I plan to revisit the
approach so that the I/O issuer can declare I/O stable (initially just
for buffered I/O, but things like nvmet and nfsd might be able to
guarantee that for direct I/O as well), and then bounce buffer in lower
layers.  This should then also support parallel writes, async I/O and
atomic writes.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-10 13:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-29  7:15 fall back from direct to buffered I/O when stable writes are required Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-29  7:15 ` [PATCH 1/4] fs: replace FOP_DIO_PARALLEL_WRITE with a fmode bits Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-29 16:01   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-11-04  7:00   ` Nirjhar Roy (IBM)
2025-11-05 14:04     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-11  9:44   ` Christian Brauner
2025-10-29  7:15 ` [PATCH 2/4] fs: return writeback errors for IOCB_DONTCACHE in generic_write_sync Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-29 16:01   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29 16:37     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-29 18:12       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-30  5:59         ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-04 12:04       ` Nirjhar Roy (IBM)
2025-11-04 15:53         ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-29  7:15 ` [PATCH 3/4] xfs: use IOCB_DONTCACHE when falling back to buffered writes Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-29 15:57   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-11-04 12:33   ` Nirjhar Roy (IBM)
2025-11-04 15:52     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-29  7:15 ` [PATCH 4/4] xfs: fallback to buffered I/O for direct I/O when stable writes are required Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-29 15:53   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29 16:35     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-29 21:23       ` Qu Wenruo
2025-10-30  5:58         ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-30  6:37           ` Qu Wenruo
2025-10-30  6:49             ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-30  6:53               ` Qu Wenruo
2025-10-30  6:55                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-30  7:14                   ` Qu Wenruo
2025-10-30  7:17                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-10 13:38   ` Nirjhar Roy (IBM)
2025-11-10 13:59     ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2025-11-12  7:13       ` Nirjhar Roy (IBM)
2025-10-29 15:58 ` fall back from direct to buffered " Bart Van Assche
2025-10-29 16:14   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29 16:33   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-30 11:20 ` Dave Chinner
2025-10-30 12:00   ` Geoff Back
2025-10-30 12:54     ` Jan Kara
2025-10-30 14:35     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-30 22:02     ` Dave Chinner
2025-10-30 14:33   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-30 23:18     ` Dave Chinner
2025-10-31 13:00       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-31 15:57         ` Keith Busch
2025-10-31 16:47           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-03 11:14             ` Jan Kara
2025-11-03 12:21               ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-03 22:47                 ` Keith Busch
2025-11-04 23:38                 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-11-05 14:11                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-05 21:44                     ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-11-06  9:50                       ` Johannes Thumshirn
2025-11-06 12:49                         ` hch
2025-11-12 14:18                           ` Ming Lei
2025-11-12 14:38                             ` hch
2025-11-13 17:39                 ` Kevin Wolf
2025-11-14  5:39                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-14  9:29                     ` Kevin Wolf
2025-11-14 12:01                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-14 12:31                         ` Kevin Wolf
2025-11-14 15:36                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-14 16:55                             ` Kevin Wolf

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