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From: Jacob Pan <jacob.pan@linux.microsoft.com>
To: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"iommu@lists.linux.dev" <iommu@lists.linux.dev>,
	Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Mostafa Saleh <smostafa@google.com>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>,
	Zhang Yu <zhangyu1@linux.microsoft.com>,
	Jean Philippe-Brucker <jean-philippe@linaro.org>,
	Alexander Grest <Alexander.Grest@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 2/3] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Fix CMDQ timeout warning
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2025 12:05:26 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251212120526.00007807@linux.microsoft.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aTjmA_juSss36e8v@google.com>

Hi Will,

On Wed, 10 Dec 2025 12:16:19 +0900
Will Deacon <will@kernel.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 08, 2025 at 01:28:56PM -0800, Jacob Pan wrote:
> > @@ -781,12 +771,21 @@ static int arm_smmu_cmdq_issue_cmdlist(struct
> > arm_smmu_device *smmu, local_irq_save(flags);
> >  	llq.val = READ_ONCE(cmdq->q.llq.val);
> >  	do {
> > +		struct arm_smmu_queue_poll qp;
> >  		u64 old;
> >  
> > +		/*
> > +		 * Poll without WFE because:
> > +		 * 1) Running out of space should be rare. Power
> > saving is not
> > +		 *    an issue.
> > +		 * 2) WFE depends on queue full break events,
> > which occur only
> > +		 *    when the queue is full, but here we’re
> > polling for
> > +		 *    sufficient space, not just queue full
> > condition.
> > +		 */  
> 
> I don't think this is reasonable; we should be able to use wfe
> instead of polling on hardware that supports it and that is an
> important power-saving measure in mobile parts.
> 
After an offline discussion, I now understand that WFE essentially
stops the CPU clock, making energy savings almost always beneficial.
This differs from certain C-state or idle-state transitions, where the
energy-saving break-even point depends on how long the CPU remains
idle. Previously, I assumed power savings were not guaranteed due to
the unpredictability of wake events (e.g., timing relative to scheduler
ticks or queue-full conditions).

So I agree we should leverage WFE as much as we could here.
 
> If this is really an issue, we could take a spinlock around the
> command-queue allocation loop for hardware with small queue sizes
> relative to the number of CPUs, but it's not clear to me that we need
> to do anything at all. I'm happy with the locking change in patch 3.
> 
> If we apply _only_ the locking change in the next patch, does that
> solve the reported problem for you?
Yes, please take #3. It should take care of the functional problem.

Thanks,

Jacob

  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-12 20:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-12-08 21:28 [PATCH v5 0/3] SMMU v3 CMDQ fix and improvement Jacob Pan
2025-12-08 21:28 ` [PATCH v5 1/3] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Parameterize wfe for CMDQ polling Jacob Pan
2025-12-08 21:28 ` [PATCH v5 2/3] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Fix CMDQ timeout warning Jacob Pan
2025-12-10  3:16   ` Will Deacon
2025-12-12 20:05     ` Jacob Pan [this message]
2025-12-08 21:28 ` [PATCH v5 3/3] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Improve CMDQ lock fairness and efficiency Jacob Pan
2026-01-05 22:58 ` [PATCH v5 0/3] SMMU v3 CMDQ fix and improvement Will Deacon

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