From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: Simon Schippers <simon.schippers@tu-dortmund.de>,
willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com, andrew+netdev@lunn.ch,
davem@davemloft.net, edumazet@google.com, kuba@kernel.org,
pabeni@redhat.com, eperezma@redhat.com, leiyang@redhat.com,
stephen@networkplumber.org, jon@nutanix.com,
tim.gebauer@tu-dortmund.de, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
virtualization@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v7 7/9] vhost-net: vhost-net: replace rx_ring with tun/tap ring wrappers
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2026 23:42:16 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260111234112-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACGkMEsC0-d4oS54BHNdFVKS+74P7SdnNHPHe_d0pmo-_86ipg@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, Jan 12, 2026 at 10:54:15AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 9, 2026 at 5:57 PM Simon Schippers
> <simon.schippers@tu-dortmund.de> wrote:
> >
> > On 1/9/26 07:04, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2026 at 3:48 PM Simon Schippers
> > > <simon.schippers@tu-dortmund.de> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On 1/8/26 05:38, Jason Wang wrote:
> > >>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2026 at 5:06 AM Simon Schippers
> > >>> <simon.schippers@tu-dortmund.de> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Replace the direct use of ptr_ring in the vhost-net virtqueue with
> > >>>> tun/tap ring wrapper helpers. Instead of storing an rx_ring pointer,
> > >>>> the virtqueue now stores the interface type (IF_TUN, IF_TAP, or IF_NONE)
> > >>>> and dispatches to the corresponding tun/tap helpers for ring
> > >>>> produce, consume, and unconsume operations.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Routing ring operations through the tun/tap helpers enables netdev
> > >>>> queue wakeups, which are required for upcoming netdev queue flow
> > >>>> control support shared by tun/tap and vhost-net.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> No functional change is intended beyond switching to the wrapper
> > >>>> helpers.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Co-developed-by: Tim Gebauer <tim.gebauer@tu-dortmund.de>
> > >>>> Signed-off-by: Tim Gebauer <tim.gebauer@tu-dortmund.de>
> > >>>> Co-developed by: Jon Kohler <jon@nutanix.com>
> > >>>> Signed-off-by: Jon Kohler <jon@nutanix.com>
> > >>>> Signed-off-by: Simon Schippers <simon.schippers@tu-dortmund.de>
> > >>>> ---
> > >>>> drivers/vhost/net.c | 92 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++----------------
> > >>>> 1 file changed, 60 insertions(+), 32 deletions(-)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> diff --git a/drivers/vhost/net.c b/drivers/vhost/net.c
> > >>>> index 7f886d3dba7d..215556f7cd40 100644
> > >>>> --- a/drivers/vhost/net.c
> > >>>> +++ b/drivers/vhost/net.c
> > >>>> @@ -90,6 +90,12 @@ enum {
> > >>>> VHOST_NET_VQ_MAX = 2,
> > >>>> };
> > >>>>
> > >>>> +enum if_type {
> > >>>> + IF_NONE = 0,
> > >>>> + IF_TUN = 1,
> > >>>> + IF_TAP = 2,
> > >>>> +};
> > >>>
> > >>> This looks not elegant, can we simply export objects we want to use to
> > >>> vhost like get_tap_socket()?
> > >>
> > >> No, we cannot do that. We would need access to both the ptr_ring and the
> > >> net_device. However, the net_device is protected by an RCU lock.
> > >>
> > >> That is why {tun,tap}_ring_consume_batched() are used:
> > >> they take the appropriate locks and handle waking the queue.
> > >
> > > How about introducing a callback in the ptr_ring itself, so vhost_net
> > > only need to know about the ptr_ring?
> >
> > That would be great, but I'm not sure whether this should be the
> > responsibility of the ptr_ring.
> >
> > If the ptr_ring were to keep track of the netdev queue, it could handle
> > all the management itself - stopping the queue when full and waking it
> > again once space becomes available.
> >
> > What would be your idea for implementing this?
>
> During ptr_ring_init() register a callback, the callback will be
> trigger during ptr_ring_consume() or ptr_ring_consume_batched() when
> ptr_ring find there's a space for ptr_ring_produce().
>
> Thanks
Not sure the perceived elegance is worth the indirect call overhead.
ptr_ring is trying hard to be low overhead.
What this does is not really complex to justify that.
We just need decent documentation.
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> >
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-01-12 4:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-01-07 21:04 [PATCH net-next v7 0/9] tun/tap & vhost-net: apply qdisc backpressure on full ptr_ring to reduce TX drops Simon Schippers
2026-01-07 21:04 ` [PATCH net-next v7 1/9] ptr_ring: move free-space check into separate helper Simon Schippers
2026-01-07 21:04 ` [PATCH net-next v7 2/9] ptr_ring: add helper to detect newly freed space on consume Simon Schippers
2026-01-08 3:23 ` Jason Wang
2026-01-08 7:20 ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-09 6:01 ` Jason Wang
2026-01-09 6:47 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-09 7:22 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-09 7:35 ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-09 8:31 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-09 9:06 ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-12 16:29 ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-07 21:04 ` [PATCH net-next v7 3/9] tun/tap: add ptr_ring consume helper with netdev queue wakeup Simon Schippers
2026-01-08 3:38 ` Jason Wang
2026-01-08 7:40 ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-09 6:02 ` Jason Wang
2026-01-09 9:31 ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-21 9:32 ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-22 5:35 ` Jason Wang
2026-01-23 3:05 ` Jason Wang
2026-01-23 9:54 ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-27 16:47 ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-28 7:03 ` Jason Wang
2026-01-28 7:53 ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-29 1:14 ` Jason Wang
2026-01-29 9:24 ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-30 1:51 ` Jason Wang
2026-02-01 20:19 ` Simon Schippers
2026-02-03 3:48 ` Jason Wang
2026-02-04 15:43 ` Simon Schippers
2026-02-05 3:59 ` Jason Wang
2026-02-05 22:28 ` Simon Schippers
2026-02-06 3:21 ` Jason Wang
2026-02-08 18:18 ` Simon Schippers
2026-02-12 0:12 ` Simon Schippers
2026-02-12 7:06 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-02-12 8:03 ` Simon Schippers
2026-02-12 8:14 ` Jason Wang
2026-02-14 17:13 ` Simon Schippers
2026-02-14 18:18 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-02-14 19:51 ` Simon Schippers
2026-02-14 23:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-02-15 10:38 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-02-16 13:27 ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-07 21:04 ` [PATCH net-next v7 4/9] tun/tap: add batched ptr_ring consume functions " Simon Schippers
2026-01-07 21:04 ` [PATCH net-next v7 5/9] tun/tap: add unconsume function for returning entries to ptr_ring Simon Schippers
2026-01-08 3:40 ` Jason Wang
2026-01-07 21:04 ` [PATCH net-next v7 6/9] tun/tap: add helper functions to check file type Simon Schippers
2026-01-07 21:04 ` [PATCH net-next v7 7/9] vhost-net: vhost-net: replace rx_ring with tun/tap ring wrappers Simon Schippers
2026-01-08 4:38 ` Jason Wang
2026-01-08 7:47 ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-09 6:04 ` Jason Wang
2026-01-09 9:57 ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-12 2:54 ` Jason Wang
2026-01-12 4:42 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2026-01-07 21:04 ` [PATCH net-next v7 8/9] tun/tap: drop get ring exports Simon Schippers
2026-01-07 21:04 ` [PATCH net-next v7 9/9] tun/tap & vhost-net: avoid ptr_ring tail-drop when qdisc is present Simon Schippers
2026-01-08 4:37 ` Jason Wang
2026-01-08 8:01 ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-09 6:09 ` Jason Wang
2026-01-09 10:14 ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-12 2:22 ` Jason Wang
2026-01-12 11:08 ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-12 11:18 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-13 6:26 ` Jason Wang
2026-01-12 4:33 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-12 11:17 ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-12 11:19 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-12 11:28 ` Simon Schippers
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