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From: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
To: Scott Mitchell <scott.k.mitch1@gmail.com>
Cc: dev@dpdk.org, "John W. Linville" <linville@tuxdriver.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 1/4] net/af_packet: remove volatile from statistics
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2026 09:34:31 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260202093431.57c1d652@phoenix.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFn2buDhLQstsTxLyqsK3ZbOJG4ZgOGreKm0Lv7seieBEfJq_w@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, 1 Feb 2026 23:02:53 -0800
Scott Mitchell <scott.k.mitch1@gmail.com> wrote:

> Without volatile, is there any guarantee the consumer thread will see
> the writes from the producer thread? For example, couldn't the
> compiler cache rx_pkts in a register on the consumer side?
> // Consumer thread:
> uint64_t prev = 0;
> while (monitoring) {
>     uint64_t curr = rx_pkts;  // Compiler may cache in register
>     if (curr != prev) {       // Without volatile: may always be false
>       update_display();       // Never executes
>       prev = curr;
>     }
> }
> 
> I created a godbolt comparing different approaches
> (https://godbolt.org/z/1Gaz6jPxh) showing assembly for x86-64 and ARM
> at -O3. Summary:
> 1. Plain load/store: Fastest. No visibility guarantees. May tear on 32-bit.
> 2. Volatile: Provides visibility. May tear on 32-bit.
> 3. Atomic load/store (relaxed): Same performance as volatile. Provides
> visibility and guarantees no tearing (even on 32-bit).
> 4. Atomic_fetch_add: Heaviest cost (LOCK on x86).
> 
> My concern is that Option 1 (Plain) has no guaranteed visibility - the
> compiler may optimize away loads entirely. Since Option 3 (Atomic
> Load/Store) has identical instruction cost to Volatile but provides
> formal guarantees (visibility + no tearing), would that be the
> preferred solution?

In normal case, compiler isn't going to be able to see across function
boundary especially through indirection of eth_dev_ops table.
With LTO it might be possible but unlikely.


  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-02 17:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-28 17:30 [RFC 0/4] net/af_packet: cleanups and optimizations Stephen Hemminger
2026-01-28 17:30 ` [RFC 1/4] net/af_packet: remove volatile from statistics Stephen Hemminger
2026-01-28 19:57   ` Scott Mitchell
2026-01-28 21:00     ` Stephen Hemminger
2026-02-02  7:02       ` Scott Mitchell
2026-02-02 17:34         ` Stephen Hemminger [this message]
2026-02-02 19:12           ` Scott Mitchell
2026-02-02 20:12             ` Stephen Hemminger
2026-01-28 17:30 ` [RFC 2/4] test: add test for af_packet Stephen Hemminger
2026-01-28 20:36   ` Scott Mitchell
2026-01-28 21:45     ` Stephen Hemminger
2026-01-28 17:30 ` [RFC 3/4] net/af_packet: fix indentation Stephen Hemminger
2026-01-28 17:30 ` [RFC 4/4] net/af_packet: add VPP-style prefetching to receive path Stephen Hemminger
2026-01-29  1:06   ` Stephen Hemminger
2026-01-29  9:00     ` Morten Brørup
2026-02-02  7:09       ` Scott Mitchell
2026-02-02 18:43       ` Stephen Hemminger
2026-02-03  7:31         ` Morten Brørup

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