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From: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
To: Oleksandr Natalenko <oleksandr@natalenko.name>
Cc: Gergo Koteles <soyer@irl.hu>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+huawei@kernel.org>,
	Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org>,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org, jani.nikula@linux.intel.com,
	anisse@astier.eu, Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@kernel.org>,
	Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@kernel.org>,
	Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@linux.intel.com>,
	Jacopo Mondi <jacopo.mondi@ideasonboard.com>,
	Ricardo Ribalda <ribalda@chromium.org>,
	open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Nicolas Dufresne <nicolas@ndufresne.ca>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] media: Virtual camera driver
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2026 16:53:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260203145341.GB33304@killaraus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5069963.GXAFRqVoOG@natalenko.name>

Hi Oleksandr,

On Tue, Feb 03, 2026 at 03:38:06PM +0100, Oleksandr Natalenko wrote:
> On úterý 3. února 2026 2:23:13, středoevropský standardní čas Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> > Hi Oleksandr,
> > 
> > (Cc'ing Nicolas Dufresne)
> > 
> > On Mon, Feb 02, 2026 at 12:45:15PM +0100, Oleksandr Natalenko wrote:
> > > On pondělí 2. února 2026 12:40:12, středoevropský standardní čas Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> > > > > If I understand correctly, it would be more forward-thinking to develop
> > > > > virtual camera support in PipeWire rather than in the kernel.
> > > > 
> > > > I don't think there's even a need for development in PipeWire
> > > > 
> > > > $ gst-launch-1.0 \
> > > > 	videotestsrc ! \
> > > > 	video/x-raw,format=YUY2 ! \
> > > > 	pipewiresink mode=provide stream-properties="properties,media.class=Video/Source,media.role=Camera"
> > > > 
> > > > This gives me a virtual camera in Firefox. Extending the GStreamer
> > > > pipeline to get the video stream from the network should be quite
> > > > trivial.
> > > 
> > > So far, I came up with this:
> > > 
> > > * sender:
> > > 
> > > $ gst-launch-1.0 pipewiresrc path=<webcam_id> ! image/jpeg, width=1280, height=720, framerate=24/1 ! rndbuffersize max=1400 ! udpsink host=<receiver_host> port=<receiver_port>
> > >
> > > * receiver:
> > > 
> > > $ gst-launch-1.0 udpsrc address=<receiver_host> port=<receiver_port> ! queue ! image/jpeg, width=1280, height=720, framerate=24/1 ! jpegparse ! jpegdec ! pipewiresink mode=provide stream-properties="properties,media.class=Video/Source,media.role=Camera" client-name=VirtualCam
> > >
> > > Please let me know if I do something dumb here. Trial and error to
> > > make this work took a couple of hours for me, but it seems to provide
> > > what I need.
> > 
> > There's nothing dumb at all, especially given that it works :-) I have
> > been able to reproduce it locally (using a different pipeline on the
> > sender side).
> > 
> > I compared your pipelines with another JPEG-over-UDP setup I used a
> > while ago, which used an rtpjpegpay element before udpsink on the sender
> > side to encapsulate the payload in RTP packets, and an rtpjpegdepay
> > element on the receiver side after udpsrc. This helps the receiver
> > synchronize with the sender if the sender is started first. The full
> > pipelines are
> > 
> > * Sender:
> > 
> > gst-launch-1.0 \
> > 	v4l2src ! \
> > 	video/x-raw,pixelformat=YUYV,size=640x480 ! \
> > 	jpegenc ! \
> > 	rtpjpegpay ! \
> > 	udpsink host=192.168.10.200 port=8000
> > 
> > * Receiver:
> > 
> > gst-launch-1.0 \
> > 	udpsrc port=8000 ! \
> > 	application/x-rtp,encoding-name=JPEG,payload=26 ! \
> > 	rtpjpegdepay ! \
> > 	jpegdec ! \
> > 	video/x-raw,pixelformat=YUYV,size=640x480 ! \
> > 	queue ! \
> > 	pipewiresink mode=provide \
> > 	       stream-properties="properties,media.class=Video/Source,media.role=Camera" \
> > 	       client-name="Remote Camera"
> > 
> > Unfortunatley this doesn't work, when the pipewire client connects to
> > the stream on the receiver side I get
> > 
> > ERROR: from element /GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstPipeWireSink:pipewiresink0: stream error: no more input formats
> > 
> > Nicolas, would you have any wisdom to share about this and tell me if I
> > did something dumb ? :-) There's no hurry.
> 
> Just to share my current state of affairs:
> 
> * sender:
> 
> $ gst-launch-1.0 pipewiresrc path=<webcam_id> ! video/x-h264, width=1280, height=720, framerate=24/1 ! rtph264pay ! rtpstreampay ! udpsink host=<receiver_host> port=<receiver_port>
> 
> * receiver:
> 
> $ gst-launch-1.0 udpsrc address=<receiver_host> port=<receiver_port> ! queue ! application/x-rtp-stream,encoding-name=H264 ! rtpstreamdepay ! application/x-rtp,encoding-name=H264 ! rtph264depay ! h264parse ! openh264dec ! pipewiresink mode=provide stream-properties="properties,media.class=Video/Source,media.role=Camera" client-name=VirtualCam
> 
> I chose H.264 because of much lower (tenfold) traffic comparing to
> MJPEG, wrapped this into RTP, opted in for OpenH264 decoder because I
> read it was handling low latency streams better than avdec_h264, and
> tested this setup with both Firefox and Chromium, and it actually
> worked pretty reliably, so I'm impressed now.

Thank you for the update. I'll give this a try.

> The only issue I have with this thing is that once a tab with meeting
> in the browser is closed, the whole receiver pipeline stops gracefully
> because "PipeWire link to remote node was destroyed". I didn't find a
> way to tell the pipeline to just restart, so in fact I had to wrap it
> into a Python script with Gst.parse_launch() and friends, and add
> error message parsing to restart the pipeline inside the script.

I've seen that too but didn't investigate yet.

> Leaving this in public, because it's a straightforward and potentially
> widely used setup, yet there's little to no info on how to do it
> properly, and the knowledge is scattered across random posts of
> varying age.

I'm writing a blog post on this topic, I'll reply with a link when I'll
be done.

-- 
Regards,

Laurent Pinchart

  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-03 14:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-01 13:33 [RFC PATCH] media: Virtual camera driver Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-02-01 18:20 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-02-01 19:04   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-02-01 20:06     ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-02-01 20:14       ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2026-02-01 20:21         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-02-01 20:26           ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2026-02-01 23:17             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-02-01 23:17               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-02-01 23:25               ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2026-02-02  1:02                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-02-02  7:16                   ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2026-02-02 11:41                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-02-02  9:05                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-02-02  9:19                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-02-02 11:43                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-02-02 11:36                   ` Gergo Koteles
2026-02-02 11:40                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-02-02 11:45                       ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2026-02-03  1:23                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-02-03 14:38                           ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2026-02-03 14:53                             ` Laurent Pinchart [this message]
2026-02-03 20:36                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-02-03 21:39                                 ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2026-02-03 21:49                                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-02-03 20:49                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-04-06 12:23                                 ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2026-04-06 12:37                                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-02-01 20:22         ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-02-01 20:27           ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2026-02-01 20:41             ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-02-01 20:35       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-02-01 20:54         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-02-01 21:09           ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-02-02  1:44             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-02-01 21:01         ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-02-01 22:03           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-02-03  9:50       ` Jani Nikula
2026-02-03 15:06         ` Laurent Pinchart

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