From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
Pankaj Raghav <pankaj.raghav@linux.dev>,
linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org,
Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>,
djwong@kernel.org, john.g.garry@oracle.com, willy@infradead.org,
ritesh.list@gmail.com, jack@suse.cz, ojaswin@linux.ibm.com,
Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
dchinner@redhat.com, Javier Gonzalez <javier.gonz@samsung.com>,
gost.dev@samsung.com, tytso@mit.edu, p.raghav@samsung.com,
vi.shah@samsung.com
Subject: Re: [Lsf-pc] [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Buffered atomic writes
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2026 07:51:07 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260218065107.GA9019@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOQ4uxgdWvJPAi6QMWQjWJ2TnjO=JP84WCgQ+ShM3GiikF=bSw@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, Feb 17, 2026 at 10:23:36AM +0100, Amir Goldstein wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2026 at 8:00 AM Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de> wrote:
> >
> > I think a better session would be how we can help postgres to move
> > off buffered I/O instead of adding more special cases for them.
>
> Respectfully, I disagree that DIO is the only possible solution.
> Direct I/O is a legit solution for databases and so is buffered I/O
> each with their own caveats.
Maybe. Classic buffered I/O is not a legit solution for doing atomic
I/Os, and if Postgres is desperate to use that, something like direct
I/O (including the proposed write though semantics) are the only sensible
choice.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-02-18 6:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-02-13 10:20 [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Buffered atomic writes Pankaj Raghav
2026-02-13 13:32 ` Ojaswin Mujoo
2026-02-16 9:52 ` Pankaj Raghav
2026-02-16 15:45 ` Andres Freund
2026-02-17 12:06 ` Jan Kara
2026-02-17 12:42 ` Pankaj Raghav
2026-02-17 16:21 ` Andres Freund
2026-02-18 1:04 ` Dave Chinner
2026-02-18 6:47 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-02-18 23:42 ` Dave Chinner
2026-02-17 16:13 ` Andres Freund
2026-02-17 18:27 ` Ojaswin Mujoo
2026-02-17 18:42 ` Andres Freund
2026-02-18 17:37 ` Jan Kara
2026-02-18 21:04 ` Andres Freund
2026-02-19 0:32 ` Dave Chinner
2026-02-17 18:33 ` Ojaswin Mujoo
2026-02-17 17:20 ` Ojaswin Mujoo
2026-02-18 17:42 ` [Lsf-pc] " Jan Kara
2026-02-18 20:22 ` Ojaswin Mujoo
2026-02-16 11:38 ` Jan Kara
2026-02-16 13:18 ` Pankaj Raghav
2026-02-17 18:36 ` Ojaswin Mujoo
2026-02-16 15:57 ` Andres Freund
2026-02-17 18:39 ` Ojaswin Mujoo
2026-02-18 0:26 ` Dave Chinner
2026-02-18 6:49 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-02-18 12:54 ` Ojaswin Mujoo
2026-02-15 9:01 ` Amir Goldstein
2026-02-17 5:51 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-02-17 9:23 ` [Lsf-pc] " Amir Goldstein
2026-02-17 15:47 ` Andres Freund
2026-02-17 22:45 ` Dave Chinner
2026-02-18 4:10 ` Andres Freund
2026-02-18 6:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-02-18 6:51 ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2026-02-20 10:08 ` Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2026-02-20 15:10 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-02-24 13:09 ` Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2026-02-24 15:04 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-24 1:02 ` Ritesh Harjani
2026-04-24 4:42 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-24 4:50 ` Ritesh Harjani
2026-04-24 6:57 ` Amir Goldstein
2026-04-24 9:40 ` Ritesh Harjani
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2026-03-08 9:19 [Lsf-pc] " Ritesh Harjani
2026-03-08 15:33 ` Andres Freund
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