From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>
Cc: "Bird, Tim" <Tim.Bird@sony.com>,
"pmladek@suse.com" <pmladek@suse.com>,
"rostedt@goodmis.org" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
"senozhatsky@chromium.org" <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
Shashank Balaji <shashankbalaji02@gmail.com>,
"john.ogness@linutronix.de" <john.ogness@linutronix.de>,
"francesco@valla.it" <francesco@valla.it>,
"geert@linux-m68k.org" <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
"linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org" <linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
x86@kernel.org, Paolo Bonzini <bonzini@gnu.org>,
Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
KVM <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] printk: fix zero-valued printk timestamps in early boot
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2026 14:05:38 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260330120538.GM3738010@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fr5ib6ks.ffs@tglx>
On Mon, Mar 30, 2026 at 12:42:59AM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> Quite the contrary, I'm going to get rid of technical debt:
>
> The get_cycles() related changes in tsc.h are going to end up in a
> obviously revised formal patch tomorrow as there is exactly _zero_
> requirement to provide this as a functional interface.
>
> 1) The default implementation in asm-generic returns 0
>
> Ergo any code depending on a functional implementation is broken
> by definition.
>
> 2) The ops/cycles metrics are as bogus as the infamous BogoMIPS metrics
>
> The "cycle" counter runs on almost all contemporary CPUs at a fixed
> frequency, which is completely unrelated to the actual CPU
> frequency and therefore to the actual CPU cycles.
>
> The only realistic metric is ops/sec and nothing else and that can
> be trivially achieved by using the generic time getter interfaces.
>
> Those might end up resulting in bogus benchmark results too if the
> underlying clocksource is jiffies, but that's again a matter of
> accepting reality.
>
> If people really mandate that ops/bogo_cycles is required for the
> very wrong reasons, then I'm happy to bring it back with a global
> name change from get_cycles() to get_bogo_cycles() which excludes
> it from any serious usage including printk.
>
> Thanks,
>
> tglx
> ---
> arch/x86/include/asm/tsc.h | 11 ++--
> arch/x86/kernel/platform-quirks.c | 2
> arch/x86/kernel/tsc.c | 96 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--------
> 3 files changed, 85 insertions(+), 24 deletions(-)
>
> --- a/arch/x86/include/asm/tsc.h
> +++ b/arch/x86/include/asm/tsc.h
> @@ -76,10 +76,7 @@ extern void disable_TSC(void);
>
> static inline cycles_t get_cycles(void)
> {
> - if (!IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_X86_TSC) &&
> - !cpu_feature_enabled(X86_FEATURE_TSC))
> - return 0;
> - return rdtsc();
> + return 0;
> }
> #define get_cycles get_cycles
>
So this is probably going to break a bunch of generic stuff. There is a
fair amount of 'get_cycles' usage out in the tree.
Mostly it appears to be various test code.
But I do agree that get_cycles() is terrible and should go away.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-03-30 12:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-11-25 5:30 [PATCH] printk: add early_counter_ns routine for printk blind spot Tim Bird
2025-11-25 7:52 ` kernel test robot
2025-11-25 13:08 ` Francesco Valla
2025-11-26 7:38 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-11-27 0:16 ` Bird, Tim
2025-11-27 16:16 ` Petr Mladek
2025-11-26 12:55 ` Petr Mladek
2025-11-27 0:03 ` Bird, Tim
2025-11-26 11:13 ` Petr Mladek
2025-11-27 9:13 ` kernel test robot
2026-01-24 19:40 ` [PATCH v2] printk: fix zero-valued printk timestamps in early boot Tim Bird
2026-01-25 14:41 ` Francesco Valla
2026-01-26 16:52 ` Bird, Tim
2026-02-02 16:23 ` Petr Mladek
2026-01-26 10:12 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-01-26 17:11 ` Bird, Tim
2026-01-27 8:10 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-02-10 23:47 ` [PATCH v3] " Tim Bird
2026-03-04 11:23 ` Petr Mladek
2026-03-09 17:27 ` Shashank Balaji
2026-03-10 10:43 ` Petr Mladek
2026-03-10 19:17 ` Bird, Tim
2026-03-09 19:25 ` Shashank Balaji
2026-03-10 11:39 ` Petr Mladek
2026-03-10 18:54 ` Bird, Tim
2026-03-11 15:45 ` Petr Mladek
2026-03-11 15:47 ` Michael Kelley
2026-03-13 4:52 ` Bird, Tim
2026-03-13 10:45 ` Petr Mladek
2026-03-14 14:16 ` Shashank Balaji
2026-03-24 20:07 ` Bird, Tim
2026-03-14 16:15 ` Michael Kelley
2026-03-24 19:47 ` Bird, Tim
2026-03-26 9:24 ` John Ogness
2026-03-27 18:04 ` Bird, Tim
2026-03-20 18:15 ` Bird, Tim
2026-03-28 15:56 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-26 13:17 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-27 18:48 ` Bird, Tim
2026-03-28 21:59 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-29 22:42 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-30 12:05 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2026-03-30 13:38 ` David Laight
2026-04-07 20:34 ` Earlier tsc init patch (was RE: [PATCH v3] printk: fix zero-valued printk timestamps in early boot) Bird, Tim
2026-03-30 20:42 ` [PATCH v3] printk: fix zero-valued printk timestamps in early boot Bird, Tim
2026-03-31 8:17 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-03-31 9:10 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-31 23:36 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-01 0:05 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-04-01 7:36 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-04-01 8:33 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-01 15:12 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-04-01 19:37 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-01 1:16 ` Brian Masney
2026-04-01 9:19 ` Thomas Gleixner
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