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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Jürgen Groß" <jgross@suse.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org, linux-edac@vger.kernel.org,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>, Ian Rogers <irogers@google.com>,
	Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>,
	James Clark <james.clark@linaro.org>,
	Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/6] x86/msr: Rename MSR access functions
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2026 14:33:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260420123352.GH3102624@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <74aa6707-356f-40d4-8611-5f6d116855ac@suse.com>

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On Mon, Apr 20, 2026 at 01:49:02PM +0200, Jürgen Groß wrote:
> On 20.04.26 13:35, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 20, 2026 at 11:16:28AM +0200, Juergen Gross wrote:
> > 
> > > - Use functions instead of macros for accessing MSRs, which will drop
> > >    modifying variables passed as a parameter.
> > > 
> > > - Eliminate multiple accessors doing exactly the same thing (e.g.
> > >    rdmsrl() and rdmsrq()).
> > 
> > So far so sane.
> > 
> > > - Instead of having function names based on the underlying instruction
> > >    mnemonics, have functions of a common name space (msr_*()).
> > 
> > Not sure on this one. The whole msr_{read,write}_{safe,noser}() thing is
> > a royal pain. Also 'noser' reads to me as the noun that goes with 'to
> > nose' [he that noses (around), like baker: he that bakes].
> 
> Naming is hard. :-)
> 
> What about s/ser/sync/ then?
> 
> > I would much rather we just stick to the mnemonics here. All of this
> > really is about wrapping single instructions, no need to make it an
> > unreadable mess.
> 
> I'm pretty sure most of the wrmsr*() use cases could switch to the non
> serializing variants. The problem not making the serializing aspect visible
> in the function name will probably result in most new instances still using
> the serializing variant instead of the probably possible non serializing one.
> 
> Many of those use cases will even suffer more, as they won't use the
> immediate form of WRMSRNS then, which would waste the additional benefits of
> that instruction.

I'm confused, if we have a wrmsrns() function, that could see if the msr
argument was a constant and use the immediate form, no?

That is, we have the following instructions: RDMSR, WRMSR, WRMSRNS
And we should have the exact same functions:

	val = rdmsr(msr);
	wrmsr(msr, val);
	wrmsrns(msr, val);

The only interesting question is what to do with the 'safe' aspect. The
instruction takes a fault, we do the extable, but rdmsr() above already
has a return value, so that can't be used.

One option is to, like uaccess and the proposed overflow, is to use
labels like:

	val = rdmsr(msr, label);

And then, even though the wrmsr*() functions have the return available,
do we want to be consistent and do:

	wrmsr(msr, val, label);
	wrmsrns(msr, val, label);

rather than be inconsistent and have them have a boolean return for
success.

What am I missing?

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  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-20 12:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-20  9:16 [PATCH RFC 0/6] x86/msr: Rename MSR access functions Juergen Gross
2026-04-20  9:16 ` [PATCH RFC 1/6] x86/msr: Rename msr_read() and msr_write() Juergen Gross
2026-04-20  9:16 ` [PATCH RFC 2/6] x86/msr: Create a new minimal set of local MSR access functions Juergen Gross
2026-04-20  9:16 ` [PATCH RFC 3/6] x86/msr: Create a new minimal set of inter-CPU " Juergen Gross
2026-04-20  9:16 ` [PATCH RFC 4/6] x86/msr: Rename the *_safe_regs[_on_cpu]() MSR functions Juergen Gross
2026-04-20  9:16 ` [PATCH RFC 5/6] x86/events: Switch core parts to use new MSR access functions Juergen Gross
2026-04-20 13:36   ` sashiko-bot
2026-04-20  9:16 ` [PATCH RFC 6/6] x86/cpu/mce: Switch code " Juergen Gross
2026-04-20 11:35 ` [PATCH RFC 0/6] x86/msr: Rename " Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-20 11:41   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-20 11:51     ` Jürgen Groß
2026-04-20 13:44       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-04-20 14:04         ` Jürgen Groß
2026-04-20 15:34           ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-04-22  7:11         ` Juergen Gross
2026-04-22 19:21           ` Sean Christopherson
2026-04-23  7:23             ` Jürgen Groß
2026-04-20 11:49   ` Jürgen Groß
2026-04-20 12:33     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2026-04-20 13:01       ` Jürgen Groß
2026-04-20 13:10         ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-20 13:23           ` Jürgen Groß
2026-04-20 13:36           ` Sean Christopherson
2026-04-20 13:57             ` Jürgen Groß

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