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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Mi, Dapeng" <dapeng1.mi@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>,
	Mingwei Zhang <mizhang@google.com>,
	Stephane Eranian <eranian@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] perf/x86: Don't write PEBS_ENABLED on KVM transitions
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2026 14:23:27 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260424122327.GD641209@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3585d823-00f3-46ae-a799-b62a95743e76@linux.intel.com>

On Fri, Apr 24, 2026 at 08:17:42PM +0800, Mi, Dapeng wrote:
> 
> On 4/24/2026 12:16 AM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2026 at 08:03:36AM -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> >> Testing this against our "PEBS_ENABLED is stuck" reproducer is (still) a work
> >> in-progress (largely because the "reproducer" is currently "throw the kernel in
> >> a big test pool"), i.e. I don't know if this actually resolves the problems we
> >> are seeing.  But even if it doesn't fully resolve our woes, it seems like a
> >> no-brainer improvement, and if we're missing something with respect to "stuck"
> >> PEBS_ENABLED, it'd be nice to get feedback/input asap.
> >>
> >> Note, if the throttling theory is correct (which is looking unlikely at the
> >> moment), then there are likely more fixes that need to be done, e.g. for CPUs
> >> without isolation, and/or if PERF_GLOBAL_CTRL can be modified from NMI context
> >> too.
> > Throttle does: pmu->stop() := x86_pmu_stop() -> intel_pmu_disable_event()
> >
> > Which in turn should:
> >
> >   x86_pmu_disable_event()
> >     wrmsrq(config_base, config & ~EN);
> >   x86_pmu_pebs_disable() := intel_pmu_pebs_disable()
> >     wrmsr(PEBS_ENABLE, pebs_enabled & ~(1<<idx));
> >
> > So that's just the counter EN bit and PEBS_ENABLED cleared. However, if
> > this is from PMI, then the PMI handler should also update GLOBAL_CTRL --
> > provided it wasn't 0.
> >
> > See intel_pmu_handle_irq():
> >
> >   if (pmu_enabled)
> >   	__intel_pmu_enable_all()
> > 	  wrmsrq(GLOBAL_CTRL, intel_ctrl);
> >
> Yes, currently all valid bits in GLOBAL_CTRL would be set by default on
> Intel platforms. IIUC, this issue looks more like a race condition between
> Perf and KVM.
> 
> 1. KVM saves the value of host PEBS_ENABLE before VM-entry.
> 
> 2. PMI is triggered and interrupts the upcoming VM-entry. PEBS events are
> throttled and PEBS_ENABLE MSR is updated in the PMI handler, then the KVM
> saved host PEBS_ENABLE value gets stale. 
> 
> 3. VM entry continues and then the next VM-exit occurs, the stale
> PEBS_ENABLE value is restored. 
> 
> 4. The PEBS_ENABLE MSR keeps the stale value until next write.
> 
> Seems an alternative way to fix this issue is to disable the PMU (Clearing
> GLOBAL_CTRL) before KVM saving the PMU MSRs?

Yes, that would seem a prudent thing to do.

      reply	other threads:[~2026-04-24 12:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-23 15:03 [PATCH v2 0/4] perf/x86: Don't write PEBS_ENABLED on KVM transitions Sean Christopherson
2026-04-23 15:03 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] perf/x86/intel: Don't write PEBS_ENABLED on host<=>guest xfers if CPU has isolation Sean Christopherson
2026-04-23 16:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-23 17:59   ` Jim Mattson
2026-04-27  2:10     ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-04-27 18:07       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-04-28  2:32         ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-04-23 15:03 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] perf/x86/intel: Don't context switch DS_AREA (and PEBS config) if PEBS is unused Sean Christopherson
2026-04-27  2:24   ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-04-27 17:34     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-04-23 15:03 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] perf/x86/intel: Make @data a mandatory param for intel_guest_get_msrs() Sean Christopherson
2026-04-27  2:28   ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-04-23 15:03 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] perf/x86: KVM: Have perf define a dedicated struct for getting guest PEBS data Sean Christopherson
2026-04-23 18:14   ` Jim Mattson
2026-04-23 23:31   ` sashiko-bot
2026-04-27 17:37     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-05-02  0:04   ` Jim Mattson
2026-05-04 17:19     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-05-04 19:42       ` Jim Mattson
2026-05-06 14:02         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-04-23 15:33 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] perf/x86: Don't write PEBS_ENABLED on KVM transitions Jim Mattson
2026-04-23 16:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-24 12:17   ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-04-24 12:23     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]

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