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From: Cheng-Yang Chou <yphbchou0911@gmail.com>
To: Kuba Piecuch <jpiecuch@google.com>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com>,
	 David Vernet <void@manifault.com>,
	Changwoo Min <changwoo@igalia.com>,
	 Emil Tsalapatis <emil@etsalapatis.com>,
	Christian Loehle <christian.loehle@arm.com>,
	 Daniel Hodges <hodgesd@meta.com>,
	sched-ext@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 Ching-Chun Huang <jserv@ccns.ncku.edu.tw>,
	Chia-Ping Tsai <chia7712@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 sched_ext/for-7.1] sched_ext: Invalidate dispatch decisions on CPU affinity changes
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2026 09:47:53 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260426093756.Gd781@cchengyang.duckdns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DI0KLDKWJBOI.2LVQ249QGVJI8@google.com>

Hi Kuba,

On Thu, Apr 23, 2026 at 01:32:20PM +0000, Kuba Piecuch wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 23, 2026 at 01:13:20PM -1000, Tejun Heo wrote:
> >> > The simple way to do this is to do scx_bpf_dsq_insert() at the very beginning,
> >> > once we know which task we would like to dispatch, and cancel the pending
> >> > dispatch via scx_bpf_dispatch_cancel() if any of the pre-dispatch checks fail
> >> > on the BPF side. This way, the "critical section" includes BPF-side checks, and
> >> > SCX will ignore the dispatch if there was a dequeue/enqueue racing with the
> >> > critical section.
> >> > 
> >> > With this solution, we can throw an error if task_can_run_on_remote_rq() is
> >> > false, because we know that there was no racing cpumask change (if there was,
> >> > it would have been caught earlier, in finish_dispatch()).
> >> 
> >> Yeah, I think this makes more sense. qseq is already there to provide
> >> protection against these events. It's just that the capturing of qseq is too
> >> late. If insert/cancel is too ugly, we can introduce another kfunc to
> >> capture the qseq - scx_bpf_dsq_insert_begin() or something like that - and
> >> stash it in a per-cpu variable. That way, qseq would be cover the "current"
> >> queued instance and the existing qseq mechanism would be able to reliably
> >> ignore the ones that lost race to dequeue.
> >
> > Since this has been stale for a while, I prepared a patch to implement
> > scx_bpf_dsq_insert_begin() as suggested.
> 
> Thanks for creating the patch. A couple of thoughts:
> 
> 1. Do we have a use case that requires dsq_insert_begin() that isn't
>    satisfied using the "insert and then cancel if needed" approach?

IIUC, yes. scx_bpf_dispatch_cancel() is only registered in 
scx_kfunc_ids_dispatch, so it is only callable from ops.dispatch().
dsq_insert_begin(), on the other hand, is available from both
ops.enqueue() and ops.dispatch() (SCX_KF_ENQUEUE | SCX_KF_DISPATCH).
Since there is nothing to cancel in ops.enqueue(), the insert-and-cancel
approach simply doesn't work there.

> 
> 2. Do we want to restrict ourselves through the one qseq slot provided by
>    dsq_insert_begin()? The most flexible approach IMO would be to simply
>    allow BPF to read the qseq directly via a kfunc and then supply it to
>    dsq_insert() later. With this, we can have multiple qseqs saved at the
>    same time, and we can even pass them between CPUs, e.g. if one CPU
>    dequeues a task for a sibling CPU, but we want the checks to be made inside
>    the sibling's ops.dispatch() (I just made this use case it up, it may not
>    be practical.)
>    That said, exposing an internal thing like qseq to BPF may be a step too far.

In Tejun's reply back in [1], he suggested dsq_insert_begin() precisely
to avoid promoting qseq into the BPF ABI — which matches your own concern.
The single per-CPU slot is sufficient for the one-task-per-iteration
dispatch loops used by existing schedulers (e.g., scx_central).
If a concrete cross-CPU use case materializes later, we can always extend
dsq_insert() to accept an explicit qseq without breaking the current,
simpler path.

[1]: https://lore.kernel.org/all/acHJED4iAeytdC2l@slm.duckdns.org/

>    Let me know what you think.
> 

Please correct me if I'm missing something, thanks! ^0^

-- 
Cheers,
Cheng-Yang

  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-26  1:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-19  8:35 [PATCH v2 sched_ext/for-7.1] sched_ext: Invalidate dispatch decisions on CPU affinity changes Andrea Righi
2026-03-19 10:31 ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-03-19 13:54   ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-03-19 21:09   ` Andrea Righi
2026-03-20  9:18     ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-03-23 23:13       ` Tejun Heo
2026-04-22  6:33         ` Cheng-Yang Chou
2026-04-22 11:02           ` Andrea Righi
2026-04-23 13:32           ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-04-26  1:47             ` Cheng-Yang Chou [this message]
2026-04-27  9:06               ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-05-01 16:19                 ` Cheng-Yang Chou
2026-05-04  8:00                   ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-05-04 21:24                     ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-04 21:58                       ` Andrea Righi
2026-05-05  8:35                         ` Cheng-Yang Chou
2026-05-05  8:01                       ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-05-05  8:31                         ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-05  9:13                           ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-05-05 15:14                             ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-05 15:58                           ` Cheng-Yang Chou
2026-03-19 15:18 ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-03-19 19:01   ` Andrea Righi

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