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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 09/31] mm: use folio_zero_user for user pages in post_alloc_hook
Date: Fri, 15 May 2026 11:45:05 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260515114250-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <agc-KFwvSDxEImVt@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F>

On Fri, May 15, 2026 at 11:39:20AM -0400, Gregory Price wrote:
> On Thu, May 14, 2026 at 03:08:13PM -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Thu, May 14, 2026 at 02:56:54PM -0400, Gregory Price wrote:
> > > On Thu, May 14, 2026 at 02:00:31PM -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > On Thu, May 14, 2026 at 09:49:33AM -0400, Gregory Price wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > There are calls with no __GFP_ZERO but they do not allocate userspace pages.
> > > > 
> > > >   - drm_pagemap.c: GFP_HIGHUSER -- no zero. But this is a DRM device
> > > >     page migration, the page content is preserved from the source.
> > > > 
> > > >   - test_hmm.c: GFP_HIGHUSER_MOVABLE -- no zero. Test driver, pages get
> > > >     content from device.
> > > > 
> > > >   - mm/ksm.c: GFP_HIGHUSER_MOVABLE -- no zero. KSM merges identical
> > > >     pages, content comes from the source page (copy).
> > > > 
> > > >   - mm/memory.c new_folio = GFP_HIGHUSER_MOVABLE
> > > >     - no zero. This is CoW, content is copied from old page.
> > > > 
> > > >   - mm/userfaultfd.c: GFP_HIGHUSER_MOVABLE - no zero. Content comes from userspace via userfaultfd.
> > > > 
> > > >   - arm64/fault.c: __GFP_ZEROTAGS not __GFP_ZERO. MTE tag zeroing, not page zeroing. Page is zeroed separately.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Right, so in all of these cases, it would be just as correct to pass
> > > USER_ADDR_NONE I imagine :]
> > 
> > Hmm. Are you sure? Isn't the address used for numa policy?
> > 
> 
> You said "They do not allocate userspace pages" - so wouldn't uaddr be
> USER_ADDR_NONE anyway?

That part was wrong.

> 
> Even if they do allocate userspace pages, they weren't passing
> __GFP_ZERO before, so either:
> 
>   1) They did not depend on the buddy to do zeroing before, and
>      user_addr is just a dead variable in those cases anyway.
> 
>      or
> 
>   2) There is a bug, and they should be zeroing the page.


IIUC, it's neither. Consider CoW: yes we are allocating a new page
for userspace, but no we do not need to zero: we are copying
data on write.



> I just see an interesting hardening opportunity.
> 
> Not suggesting you actually implement this, to be clear, maybe just
> documenting the idea on the thread as a potential follow up.
> 
> ~Gregory


  reply	other threads:[~2026-05-15 15:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-12 21:04 [PATCH v7 00/31] mm/virtio: skip redundant zeroing of host-zeroed pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-12 21:05 ` [PATCH v7 01/31] mm: mempolicy: fix interleave index for unaligned VMA start Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-12 21:05 ` [PATCH v7 02/31] mm: page_alloc: propagate PageReported flag across buddy splits Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-14 11:51   ` Gregory Price
2026-05-14 14:48     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-14 15:32       ` Gregory Price
2026-05-14 15:34         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-14 15:41           ` Gregory Price
2026-05-14 15:47             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-14 17:48               ` Gregory Price
2026-05-14 17:51                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-12 21:05 ` [PATCH v7 03/31] mm: page_reporting: allow driver to set batch capacity Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-12 21:05 ` [PATCH v7 04/31] mm: hugetlb: remove dead alloc_hugetlb_folio stub Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-14 11:53   ` Gregory Price
2026-05-12 21:05 ` [PATCH v7 05/31] mm: move vma_alloc_folio_noprof to page_alloc.c Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-12 21:05 ` [PATCH v7 06/31] mm: thread user_addr through page allocator for cache-friendly zeroing Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-12 21:05 ` [PATCH v7 07/31] mm: add folio_zero_user stub for configs without THP/HUGETLBFS Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-12 21:05 ` [PATCH v7 08/31] mm: page_alloc: move prep_compound_page before post_alloc_hook Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-12 21:05 ` [PATCH v7 09/31] mm: use folio_zero_user for user pages in post_alloc_hook Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-14 13:49   ` Gregory Price
2026-05-14 18:00     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-14 18:56       ` Gregory Price
2026-05-14 19:08         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-15 15:39           ` Gregory Price
2026-05-15 15:45             ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2026-05-12 21:05 ` [PATCH v7 10/31] mm: use __GFP_ZERO in vma_alloc_zeroed_movable_folio Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-12 21:06 ` [PATCH v7 11/31] mm: remove arch vma_alloc_zeroed_movable_folio overrides Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-14 13:53   ` Gregory Price
2026-05-12 21:06 ` [PATCH v7 12/31] mm: alloc_anon_folio: pass raw fault address to vma_alloc_folio Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-12 21:06 ` [PATCH v7 13/31] mm: alloc_swap_folio: " Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-14 13:54   ` Gregory Price
2026-05-12 21:06 ` [PATCH v7 14/31] mm: use __GFP_ZERO in alloc_anon_folio Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-12 21:06 ` [PATCH v7 15/31] mm: vma_alloc_anon_folio_pmd: pass raw fault address to vma_alloc_folio Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-14 13:55   ` Gregory Price
2026-05-12 21:06 ` [PATCH v7 16/31] mm: use __GFP_ZERO in vma_alloc_anon_folio_pmd Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-12 21:06 ` [PATCH v7 17/31] mm: hugetlb: add gfp parameter and skip zeroing for zeroed pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-12 22:03   ` Gregory Price
2026-05-12 23:08     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-12 21:06 ` [PATCH v7 18/31] mm: memfd: skip zeroing for zeroed hugetlb pool pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-14 14:07   ` Gregory Price
2026-05-12 21:06 ` [PATCH v7 19/31] mm: page_reporting: skip redundant zeroing of host-zeroed reported pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-14 14:13   ` Gregory Price
2026-05-12 21:06 ` [PATCH v7 20/31] mm: page_reporting: add per-page zeroed bitmap for host feedback Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-12 21:06 ` [PATCH v7 21/31] mm: page_alloc: clear PG_zeroed on buddy merge if not both zero Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-12 21:07 ` [PATCH v7 22/31] mm: page_alloc: preserve PG_zeroed in page_del_and_expand Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-14 14:15   ` Gregory Price
2026-05-12 21:07 ` [PATCH v7 23/31] virtio_balloon: submit reported pages as individual buffers Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-12 21:07 ` [PATCH v7 24/31] mm: page_reporting: add flush parameter with page budget Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-12 21:07 ` [PATCH v7 25/31] mm: page_alloc: propagate PG_zeroed in split_large_buddy Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-14 14:18   ` Gregory Price
2026-05-12 21:07 ` [PATCH v7 26/31] virtio_balloon: skip zeroing for host-zeroed reported pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-12 21:07 ` [PATCH v7 27/31] virtio_balloon: disable reporting zeroed optimization for confidential guests Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-12 21:07 ` [PATCH v7 28/31] mm: add free_frozen_pages_zeroed Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-12 21:07 ` [PATCH v7 29/31] mm: add put_page_zeroed and folio_put_zeroed Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-12 21:07 ` [PATCH v7 30/31] virtio_balloon: implement VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_DEVICE_INIT_ON_INFLATE Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-12 21:07 ` [PATCH v7 31/31] mm: balloon: use put_page_zeroed for zeroed balloon pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-13  7:36 ` [PATCH v7 00/31] mm/virtio: skip redundant zeroing of host-zeroed pages David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-13 16:34   ` Gregory Price
2026-05-13 23:29     ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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