From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from perceval.ideasonboard.com (perceval.ideasonboard.com [213.167.242.64]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41CA93E7BC7; Tue, 7 Jul 2026 12:40:35 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=213.167.242.64 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1783428036; cv=none; b=C5huw3LR3vD2rkBvNXffXyZOhWQKcYxL4xRsl07az7uCOuUUfBTKsn1tGfjRIm+H7vuZxrrw74nYESJwb78AdQIVvEiFmDqmW/M/tpMBPlcjxKLes1CncAsp+eLoeumCuU5TqenYCsNsoK9/tCq+o8SM1HY7/UyGoegcVTon+Go= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1783428036; c=relaxed/simple; bh=n0xUh5OGPh9z2w0Sp46nckGuiAEOctFlK6hVKNx2f1c=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=R//Q7eNMPqTbL9RQdnIwLKG/s5Q2o+B5+4LOCJ6RoBWezugJKGvXC3bZ+OQBJW4HzzbwESqgg5sKOJY5ufCxU1JIMYfUXfL1J1x3Ad5GjxnsEaOeYxJUHYOZ/M8gExr8DTYBlEmjGjqDemFY5byRon2QKryyPB9vqfJzafntp+0= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=ideasonboard.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=ideasonboard.com; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ideasonboard.com header.i=@ideasonboard.com header.b=pr9ECtD8; arc=none smtp.client-ip=213.167.242.64 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=ideasonboard.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=ideasonboard.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ideasonboard.com header.i=@ideasonboard.com header.b="pr9ECtD8" Received: from killaraus.ideasonboard.com (2001-14ba-70f3-e800--a06.rev.dnainternet.fi [IPv6:2001:14ba:70f3:e800::a06]) by perceval.ideasonboard.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9C012673; Tue, 7 Jul 2026 14:39:43 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ideasonboard.com; s=mail; t=1783427983; bh=n0xUh5OGPh9z2w0Sp46nckGuiAEOctFlK6hVKNx2f1c=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=pr9ECtD8qCdWzZnArS158+LZBum436RpE+whkULJndc87+LXTAapOABZb++49Rzho iUXVsO5t0uLygtqVudGC1v2lgcxflnEP2GsS3Xe3fvRWugXvubQUOw+/c6Nj4ec5Hu QiAE+KFiICDstz+Lw30atdZ648Rl/NBHRS2DmexU= Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2026 15:40:31 +0300 From: Laurent Pinchart To: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" Cc: Lorenzo Stoakes , Boris Burkov , Jeff Layton , Greg KH , Linus Torvalds , Jonathan Corbet , Justin Stitt , Carlos Maiolino , Jakub Kicinski , Jori Koolstra , Krzysztof Kozlowski , Brian Foster , Christoph Hellwig , David Disseldorp , Mark Brown , Jani Nikula , Jens Axboe , Vlastimil Babka , "Christian Brauner (Amutable)" , workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] Documentation: remove the requirement for LLM attribution Message-ID: <20260707124031.GC211515@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> References: <2026070227-payroll-eradicate-8f66@gregkh> <16c507cea8f2873766e1de586d9a0d73234a3038.camel@kernel.org> <20260702211740.GA639365@zen.localdomain> <3f447113-4407-471f-878f-e6d6edafee71@kernel.org> <20260703163251.GB3734786@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> <0ba6bf66-e48f-40df-a953-503d317b3dbe@kernel.org> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0ba6bf66-e48f-40df-a953-503d317b3dbe@kernel.org> On Tue, Jul 07, 2026 at 11:49:31AM +0200, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote: > On 7/7/26 11:20, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 03, 2026 at 08:22:20PM +0200, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote: > >> On 7/3/26 18:32, Laurent Pinchart wrote: > >>> > >>> I'd support a patch that replaces > >>> > >>> Assisted-by: Claude:claude-3-opus coccinelle sparse > >>> > >>> with > >>> > >>> Assisted-by: LLM # generate some test cases > >>> > >>> and rewrites the Attribution section of > >>> Documentation/process/coding-assistants.rst accordingly. > >>> > >>> I think most people in this mail thread have expressed that how > >>> generative AI was used is the most important information, and several > >>> people (including myself) have expressed a desire to stop the free > >>> advertising. Unless I missed something, I don't think anyone has > >>> expressed an interest in keeping the agent name and model. > >> > >> Yes, that's something I would enjoy seeing. Who reading along has a problem with > >> that? (assuming that the tag must stay) > > > > I think the silence suggests nobody :) > > > > What we could do is send a patch to simply add a section on adding a comment > > explaining _what_ used an LLM and strongly suggesting it would be helpful to do > > so. > > > > That should hopefully be uncontroversial, then later (or alongside that?) we > > could submit an RFC for making the language move to 'you MUST do this', as that > > will probably be the more controversial bit. > > Maybe we should just spell out about which scenario we care about where we really > expect the disclosure. > > Sure, it might be more controversial and we could have that in a separate patch. > > I was thinking of the following end result: > > diff --git a/Documentation/process/coding-assistants.rst b/Documentation/process/coding-assistants.rst > index 899f4459c52d2..4c2ab4dfc6da7 100644 > --- a/Documentation/process/coding-assistants.rst > +++ b/Documentation/process/coding-assistants.rst > @@ -40,20 +40,37 @@ Attribution > =========== > > When AI tools contribute to kernel development, proper attribution > -helps track the evolving role of AI in the development process. > -Contributions should include an Assisted-by tag in the following format:: > +helps track the evolving role of AI in the development process. Further, > +for reviewers and maintainers it is also crucially important to know how > +AI tools were used. > > - Assisted-by: AGENT_NAME:MODEL_VERSION [TOOL1] [TOOL2] > +Contributions that used AI to generate significant portions of code, > +comments, or patch descriptions must include an Assisted-by tag in the > +following format:: > > -Where (preferred): > + Assisted-by: LLM # brief description of usage > + > +Or alternatively:: > + > + Assisted-by: AGENT_NAME:MODEL_VERSION # brief description of usage I would like to drop this one. As I understand, several people objected to including the product name in the git history as it is just free adverising, and nobody objected to dropping it. > + > +Where:: > > * ``AGENT_NAME`` is the name of the AI tool or framework > * ``MODEL_VERSION`` is the specific model version used > -* ``[TOOL1] [TOOL2]`` are optional specialized analysis tools used > - (e.g., coccinelle, sparse, smatch, clang-tidy) > + > +If other tools were used, they should be specified through a dedicated > +Assisted-by tag in the following format:: > + > + Assisted-by: [TOOL1] [TOOL2] > + > +Where ``[TOOL1] [TOOL2]`` are specialized analysis tools used > +(e.g., coccinelle, sparse, smatch, clang-tidy) > > Basic development tools (git, gcc, make, editors) should not be listed. > > -Example:: > +Examples:: > > - Assisted-by: Claude:claude-3-opus coccinelle sparse > + Assisted-by: LLM # translate patch description > + Assisted-by: Claude:claude-3-opus # generate most of the code > + Assisted-by: coccinelle sparse > > > But I am not really sure why we should specify other tools here, really. > People usually do that as part of the patch description, including sharing > coccinelle scripts etc. We've mentioned coccinelle usage in commit messages, with a copy of the semantic patch, for years and years and I'm not aware of anyone giving a technical reason why we need a tag instead. The only reason I see is to avoid pointing specifically at LLMs and normalize their usage as "just another tool". That's a political reason, not a technical one. > Because looking at the history: > > $ git log | grep "Assisted-by" | grep -E "(coccinelle|sparse|smatch|clang)" > Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle > Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle > Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle > Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle > Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle > Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle > Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle > Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle > Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle > Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle > Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle > Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle > Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle > Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle > Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle > Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle > Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle > Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle > Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle > Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle > Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle > Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle > Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle > Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle > Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle > Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle > Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle > Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle > Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle -- Regards, Laurent Pinchart