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From: Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: ksummit@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [TECH TOPIC] Implementing malloc
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2026 09:58:37 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <202607090956.6381F35@keescook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <akKBVsFBro_4QM74@casper.infradead.org>

On Mon, Jun 29, 2026 at 03:29:42PM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> malloc() is a standard part of the C library.  Yet we force new Linux
> programmers to learn the difference between vmalloc(), kmalloc() and
> kvmalloc().  They even have to acquire an understanding of the difference
> between GFP_KERNEL and GFP_ATOMIC.  If they are particularly unlucky,
> they may have to understand other combinations of GFP flags.
> 
> This topic proposes that we should implement malloc() and calloc().
> Various options will be discussed, their increasing implementation
> complexity corresponding to utility in a greater range of situations.
> This will also benefit Rust as we can use the same infrastructure to
> implement std::alloc.

No surprise, but I strongly disagree with this. Those APIs are flawed
and we shouldn't emulate them. This is why we just removed strncpy(),
for example.

Allocations need to be type-based, not size-based. When we force people
to reduce it to just byte count tons of metadata that can be used by
both the kernel and the compiler is lost. The size is a by-product of
"what do you need space for?" "I need X many Foo objects" or "I need
Bar with Z many trailing Baz objects" or even "I need a plane of pixels
X by Y". The uncommon case is "I need X many bytes from this stream".

-Kees

-- 
Kees Cook

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-07-09 16:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-29 14:29 [TECH TOPIC] Implementing malloc Matthew Wilcox
2026-06-29 15:07 ` Dan Carpenter
2026-06-29 15:21   ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-06-29 15:31   ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-06-29 16:00     ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-29 16:37     ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-06-29 16:48 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2026-06-29 16:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-06-29 18:19   ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-06-29 18:22     ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-06-29 18:29     ` Mark Brown
2026-06-29 18:37       ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-30 18:53     ` Steven Rostedt
2026-07-09 16:58 ` Kees Cook [this message]
2026-07-09 17:11   ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-07-09 17:30     ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-07-09 17:39       ` Greg KH
2026-07-09 17:42       ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-07-09 17:40     ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-07-09 18:18       ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-07-09 18:44         ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-07-09 18:50           ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-07-09 19:04             ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-07-09 18:42     ` Dan Carpenter
2026-07-09 18:45       ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-07-09 19:13         ` Linus Torvalds
2026-07-10 11:21       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-07-10 11:44         ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-10 12:16         ` Joe Perches

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