From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from perceval.ideasonboard.com (perceval.ideasonboard.com [213.167.242.64]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8DAA14A2E1D for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2026 20:03:21 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=213.167.242.64 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1784145804; cv=none; b=rFvAx5xL+9vWK0EJNub0xJdtR+G4JnCfx0oQtKs+3BXQe+V5JXXzpwk7ypso05QT7bt9nLq2oT5mH1aTRUupez/x3+oa1Z/prDCFe+cswZInIkwxUCEbfT2GPfqNjRzxi4Dm/TwzgmtFHsVwlb2q3cBP+6uUVbWI33fbsc1Mklc= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1784145804; c=relaxed/simple; bh=mInBdVU9ed6bCPUw/1XXaBt97nOIzKTykxNqFR5oMfs=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=bW1M6mdNnSRVHSUURw95QXBVc3mw4SbPxGIF2XPD3/duGngXkGR7bzPsnKTPugn+oFfhMD4POFcWyA3cIohT38GSs0NthxqXfQ5b5ZzvM/sSo607EBimez7Fm689rsXZ+ANB5t+YfrJekEfsaeC4cczw5JJFw6eupD77QFl/IaI= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=ideasonboard.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=ideasonboard.com; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ideasonboard.com header.i=@ideasonboard.com header.b=d8v/SFEA; arc=none smtp.client-ip=213.167.242.64 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=ideasonboard.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=ideasonboard.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ideasonboard.com header.i=@ideasonboard.com header.b="d8v/SFEA" Received: from killaraus.ideasonboard.com (2001-14ba-70f3-e800--a06.rev.dnainternet.fi [IPv6:2001:14ba:70f3:e800::a06]) by perceval.ideasonboard.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 82FAE267; Wed, 15 Jul 2026 22:02:23 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ideasonboard.com; s=mail; t=1784145743; bh=mInBdVU9ed6bCPUw/1XXaBt97nOIzKTykxNqFR5oMfs=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=d8v/SFEAhMmVM4WxT7bhfyUyUhnIkxm9SL7MeyBolFSzmOtgPtyPdAJgkU2nngnHO d8wEmu1/6gVrf208bKVeNCxZM4QnDKBfxUn1uRTmDAh5nBL8GgUyDvJXFfSGG0zoex NwcdyPsd4ipLUWeC6nuRpdn420T1Hhh+F1PylDX4= Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2026 23:03:17 +0300 From: Laurent Pinchart To: Nicolas Dufresne Cc: Jori Koolstra , Linus Torvalds , Roman Gushchin , Mauro Carvalho Chehab , Derek Barbosa , Matthieu Baerts , Konstantin Ryabitsev , Jason Gunthorpe , Steven Rostedt , users@kernel.org, Linux Media Mailing List , Stephen Finucane Subject: Re: Linking Patchwork with Sashiko? Message-ID: <20260715200317.GA1824265@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> References: <20260715005909.GF1656185@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> <4928C919-7999-4E76-ADCB-F8643FED105B@linux.dev> <20260715191216.GM1778116@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> <8061fd3d27432ba0b42fb398d70f56fabc2ee586.camel@ndufresne.ca> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-media@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <8061fd3d27432ba0b42fb398d70f56fabc2ee586.camel@ndufresne.ca> On Wed, Jul 15, 2026 at 03:27:46PM -0400, Nicolas Dufresne wrote: > Le mercredi 15 juillet 2026 à 22:12 +0300, Laurent Pinchart a écrit : > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2026 at 02:13:12PM -0400, Nicolas Dufresne wrote: > > > Le mercredi 15 juillet 2026 à 14:21 +0200, Jori Koolstra a écrit : > > > > While there is some truly ridiculous anti-LLM brigading in some open > > > > source projects, I feel like saying it is just another tool does not do > > > > justice to some of the harm that is done by that industry. Also, > > > > precisely because of the usefulness of LLMs, I worry about creating an > > > > uneven playing field, where new contributors can't keep up if they can't > > > > afford the needed tools (something that is not as much the case with > > > > compilers.) > > > > > > So "fairness" is likely one of the numerous ethical concerns that can drive > > > activist against LLM (in the sense of people actively avoiding it, boycotting > > > for the real extreme one, but I want to include mild cases too) in contrast to > > > luddite, that just don't accept the technology to provide any meaningful result. > > > I'm personally interested in learning more about each and every ethical > > > concerns, as this is needed to either fixi or mitigate the social issues this > > > technology is creating. > > > > > > On this aspect specifically, Sashiko is provided equally to the Linux community. > > > This is very unlike coding agent, which capabilities and performance are highly > > > tailored to your capability to pay. In that sense, fairness is minimally > > > mitigated. I say mitigated considering someone have to pay for the compute and > > > because its currently running off proprietary owned models, also require paying > > > for extra royalties (which is an interesting ethical discussion in itself I > > > suppose). Smaller projects may not have that level of donation or budget. > > > > Or will to pay money to companies with dubious ethics (a strong > > understatement). > > Though, let's accept to cut this sub-thread here, Sure. > since we got off the > "technical merit", meaning we are off-topic now. I haven't argued much, if at all, about the technical merit in this mail thread though. -- Regards, Laurent Pinchart