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From: Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>
To: jthoughton@google.com
Cc: kas@kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, david@kernel.org,
	ljs@kernel.org, ziy@nvidia.com, baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com,
	liam@infradead.org, nico.pache@linux.dev, ryan.roberts@arm.com,
	dev.jain@arm.com, baohua@kernel.org, usama.arif@linux.dev,
	shy828301@gmail.com, zokeefe@google.com, hughd@google.com,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	stable@vger.kernel.org, Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/khugepaged: Don't collapse uffd-minor-registered VMAs
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2026 14:03:04 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260829060304.51549-1-lance.yang@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260829041523.43008-1-lance.yang@linux.dev>


On Sat, Aug 29, 2026 at 12:15:23PM +0800, Lance Yang wrote:
>
>On Fri, Aug 28, 2026 at 02:07:07PM +0100, Kiryl Shutsemau wrote:
>>On Fri, Aug 28, 2026 at 05:47:03PM +0800, Lance Yang wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2026 at 12:50:04AM +0000, James Houghton wrote:
>>> >Userfaultfd minor faults provides userspace with the ability to manually
>>> >install PTEs with UFFDIO_CONTINUE. Right now, khugepaged collapse can
>>> >map holes in the VMA when a naturally-aligned THP is present without
>>> >explicit action from userspace.
>>> >
>>> >This is a problem, as it bypasses userfaultfd minor faults that
>>> >userspace is expecting to handle.
>>> 
>>> One basic question first. Should MADV_COLLAPSE refuse to collapse a
>>> UFFD-minor-registered VMA, regardless of whether all PTEs are present?
>>
>>I think the line is not between MADV_COLLAPSE vs khugepaged, it is if
>>vma->vm_mm is current->mm or not.
>>
>>In other words, we might want to allow collapse if workload itself asks
>>for it, but not for khugepaged or *external* process_madvise(MADV_COLLAPSE).
>>is_khugepaged is not the right proxy.
>
>Right, IIUC, we have two options so far:
>
>A) Conservatively reject collapse for any UFFD-minor-registered VMA, as
>   this patch does.
>
>B) Allow collapse when the workload itself asks for it, but reject
>   khugepaged and external process_madvise(MADV_COLLAPSE).

One more correction to option B above. Background khugepaged already
passes install_pmd=false and cannot trigger the problem, so the
distinction is only between the workload's own madvise(MADV_COLLAPSE)
and external process_madvise(MADV_COLLAPSE) :)

Actually:

A) Reject MADV_COLLAPSE for any UFFD-minor-registered VMA.

B) Allow MADV_COLLAPSE when the workload itself asks for it, but reject
   external process_madvise(MADV_COLLAPSE).

>
>Maybe there is a third option as well. Would be good to hear more thoughts
>on the expected semantics, especially from the maintainers, before
>deciding what the check should look like.
>
>@James, thanks for spinning v2 so quickly :) Please don't send another
>revision until we settle the expected semantics here. Hope you don't mind
>giving us a little time to sort this out :D
>
>Cheers, Lance
>


  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-29  6:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-28  0:50 [PATCH] mm/khugepaged: Don't collapse uffd-minor-registered VMAs James Houghton
2026-08-28  9:47 ` Lance Yang
2026-08-28 13:07   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-29  4:15     ` Lance Yang
2026-08-29  6:03       ` Lance Yang [this message]
2026-08-28 19:07   ` James Houghton
2026-08-29  5:26   ` Lance Yang
2026-08-31 16:51     ` James Houghton
2026-09-02 10:27       ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-02 20:41         ` James Houghton

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