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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: Mario Limonciello <superm1@gmail.com>
Cc: Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@amd.com>,
	Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Alex Deucher <alexander.deucher@amd.com>,
	amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
	Suravee Suthikulpanit <suravee.suthikulpanit@amd.com>,
	Vasant Hegde <vasant.hegde@amd.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	"open list:AMD IOMMU (AMD-VI)" <iommu@lists.linux.dev>,
	Jatin Kataria <jkataria@netflix.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqunf@netflix.com>,
	"Derek J . Clark" <derekjohn.clark@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/2] iommu/amd: Add PerfOpt IOMMU performance optimization support
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2026 09:08:31 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260928120831.GF163130@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ab1cdd64-3390-480a-8d41-a942e8b2e120@gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 25, 2026 at 07:33:08PM -0500, Mario Limonciello wrote:
> 
> 
> On 9/25/26 5:39 PM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 25, 2026 at 08:11:41AM -0500, Mario Limonciello wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 9/25/26 07:28, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2026 at 09:20:02AM +0200, Joerg Roedel wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2026 at 07:50:18PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > > > > Why does the GPU driver have to request this? Why can't the iommu
> > > > > > driver know that this is a special device that can use this magic fast
> > > > > > path and then auto set it when identity is asked for?
> > > > > 
> > > > > This is a layering violation either way. Either the IOMMU driver needs to poke
> > > > > into device details and their relations or the device driver needs to poke into
> > > > > IOMMU details.
> > > > 
> > > > There are no device details, this is just a module option in the gpu
> > > > driver.
> > > 
> > > Well the GPU driver has knowledge whether it's a GPU inside of an APU to
> > > decide if it's valid.  That information is part of the discovery table
> > > setup.
> > 
> > Where was that in patch 2?
> 
> amdgpu_device_use_perfopt()

Ah, sneaky, that looks like it just decodes from a a giant list of PCI IDs
 
> > The right way for this to work is to quirk it through the iommu driver
> > so it can choose the fast mode, and not involve the GPU driver at
> > all. Like we've done for every other GPU weirdness. And AMD should be
> > making this work better by providing ACPI support so the iommu driver
> > can understand how it should work without inspecting PCI IDs.
> 
> There is a heuristic that Vasant added recently that we detect APU from the
> IOMMU driver.  We might be able to use that for now.
> 
> I'll take a look at what an incremental patch looks like on top of
> iommu/next that I think reworks all these paths the way you want.  I should
> be able to post something next week.

ACPI is the right answer to these kinds of problems.

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-28 12:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-08  4:12 [PATCH v2 0/2] IOMMU Performance Optimization support Mario Limonciello
2026-09-08  4:12 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] iommu/amd: Add PerfOpt IOMMU performance optimization support Mario Limonciello
2026-09-24 22:50   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-25  0:03     ` Mario Limonciello
2026-09-25  0:17       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-25  0:21         ` Mario Limonciello
2026-09-25  7:20     ` Joerg Roedel
2026-09-25 12:28       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-25 13:11         ` Mario Limonciello
2026-09-25 22:39           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-26  0:33             ` Mario Limonciello
2026-09-28 12:08               ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2026-09-28 15:32                 ` Mario Limonciello
2026-09-28 17:11                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-28 17:15                     ` Mario Limonciello
2026-09-29  2:53                       ` Deucher, Alexander
2026-09-28  5:17     ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-25  7:30   ` Joerg Roedel
2026-09-08  4:12 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] drm/amdgpu: Enable PerfOpt IOMMU perf optimization when GPU in identity domain Mario Limonciello
2026-09-20 14:10 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] IOMMU Performance Optimization support Mario Limonciello
2026-09-20 16:27 ` Boqun Feng
2026-09-24 11:42 ` Joerg Roedel
2026-09-24 13:01   ` Deucher, Alexander
2026-09-24 13:50     ` Joerg Roedel

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