From: Fred Griffoul <griffoul@gmail.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/9] mm: Memory providers for guest_memfd and iommufd
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2026 15:07:15 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20261012150715.25132-1-griffoul@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEvNRgF1hMz+4ivH6WhsEOLTJGOegYO9AYK6OByYysPp_nVJ=g@mail.gmail.com>
Ackerley Tng <ackerleytng@google.com> writes:
> Wait, is there some magic done to make struct pages represent different
> frames, as in PFNs? In your model, the struct page <=> PFN mapping
> doesn't stay constant?
No, our memory has no struct page: it is a carve-out hidden from the
host with memmap=. I meant the mapping from guest_memfd file offset to
PFN. The PFNs never change, only which file and offset they back.
> Do multiple VMs map the same physical memory at the same time, or is it
> a move like below?
Mostly moves: a page has one owner at a time. There is also a share,
where a parent keeps a range and gives a child a view of it, so two VMs
can map the same frames for a while.
> I'm thinking that if guest_memfd wraps your provider, then your provider
> can issue a revocation to guest_memfd (ctrl-f for
> kvm_gmem_provider_revoke in [1]) on the move source guest_memfd inode,
> then wait for an allocation request from the move target guest_memfd
> inode.
For the guest, this series works the same way: the provider revokes the
range on the source, and the target's next guest fault asks the provider
for the frame. Devices are different, because a device may not support
faults. So the provider also revokes the range on the target once it
owns the frames, and iommufd maps them right away. In other words, a
revoke means that the frames behind a range changed, whether they went
away or arrived.
> guest_memfd is going to support preservation [2]. Tarun's series just
> preserves memory from guest_memfd's default provider (buddy allocator)
> now. For your provider, I imagine the preservation flow would preserve
> whatever metadata in guest_memfd (like the attributes in the maple tree)
> and then go on to notify the provider to preserve some range of PFNs (or
> folios). Your provider would then basically do nothing, since those PFNs
> already survive a live update.
Yes, that would work for us, as long as guest_memfd does not also have
to save the offset to PFN layout: the provider keeps it across the
update, and guest_memfd can ask again afterwards.
Thanks,
Fred
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-12 15:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-07-20 11:03 [RFC PATCH v2 00/11] KVM: Allow alternative providers of guest_memfd backed by PFNMAP memory David Woodhouse
2026-07-20 11:03 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/11] KVM: selftests: sev_smoke_test: Only run VM types the host offers David Woodhouse
2026-07-20 11:03 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/11] KVM: selftests: sev_init2_tests: Derive SEV availability from KVM David Woodhouse
2026-07-20 11:03 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/11] KVM: SEV: Remove struct page dependency from SNP gmem paths David Woodhouse
2026-07-20 11:03 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/11] KVM: guest_memfd: Introduce guest memory ops and route native gmem through them David Woodhouse
2026-07-20 11:03 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/11] iommufd: Look up private-interconnect phys via exporter symbols David Woodhouse
2026-07-20 11:03 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/11] iommufd: Plumb dma-buf memory-type (RAM vs MMIO) through the phys map David Woodhouse
2026-07-20 11:03 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/11] KVM: guest_memfd: Add ops-driven page revocation David Woodhouse
2026-07-20 11:03 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/11] samples/kvm: Add guest_memfd backing sample David Woodhouse
2026-07-20 11:03 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/11] selftests/kvm: gmem_provider KVM-only tests David Woodhouse
2026-07-20 11:03 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/11] selftests/kvm: gmem_provider iommufd tests David Woodhouse
2026-07-20 11:03 ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/11] samples/kvm, selftests/kvm: Allow the gmem_provider NVMe DMA test on arm64 David Woodhouse
2026-07-20 15:11 ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/11] KVM: Allow alternative providers of guest_memfd backed by PFNMAP memory Paolo Bonzini
2026-07-20 16:39 ` David Woodhouse
2026-07-23 0:24 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-07-23 9:40 ` David Woodhouse
2026-07-23 16:01 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-10-05 9:55 ` [RFC PATCH 0/6] KVM: guest_memfd: back guest_memfd with an imported dma-buf Fred Griffoul
2026-10-05 9:55 ` [RFC PATCH 1/6] KVM: guest_memfd: Add a writable result to get_pfn() Fred Griffoul
2026-10-05 9:55 ` [RFC PATCH 2/6] dma-buf: Add get_phys() to describe a physical run Fred Griffoul
2026-10-05 10:07 ` Christian König
2026-10-05 13:20 ` Fred Griffoul
2026-10-05 14:53 ` Christian König
2026-10-12 14:46 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-12 15:29 ` Fred Griffoul
2026-10-05 9:55 ` [RFC PATCH 3/6] dma-buf: Add ranged mapping invalidation Fred Griffoul
2026-10-05 10:08 ` Christian König
2026-10-05 9:55 ` [RFC PATCH 4/6] dma-buf: Allow dynamic attach without a device Fred Griffoul
2026-10-05 9:55 ` [RFC PATCH 5/6] KVM: guest_memfd: Add dma-buf backing Fred Griffoul
2026-10-05 9:55 ` [RFC PATCH 6/6] samples/kvm, selftests/kvm: Exercise " Fred Griffoul
2026-10-06 18:32 ` [RFC PATCH 0/9] mm: Memory providers for guest_memfd and iommufd Fred Griffoul
2026-10-06 18:32 ` [PATCH 1/9] KVM: guest_memfd: Add a writable result to get_pfn() Fred Griffoul
2026-10-06 18:32 ` [PATCH 2/9] mm: Add memory providers Fred Griffoul
2026-10-06 18:32 ` [PATCH 3/9] KVM: guest_memfd: Add a memory provider backing Fred Griffoul
2026-10-06 18:32 ` [PATCH 4/9] iommufd: Track the domains of pages that are not pinned Fred Griffoul
2026-10-06 18:32 ` [PATCH 5/9] iommufd: Map memory provider files Fred Griffoul
2026-10-06 18:32 ` [PATCH 6/9] iommufd/selftest: Add mock-domain IOVA queries Fred Griffoul
2026-10-06 18:32 ` [PATCH 7/9] iommufd/selftest: Add a mock memory provider Fred Griffoul
2026-10-06 18:32 ` [PATCH 8/9] samples/kvm: Add a memory provider sample Fred Griffoul
2026-10-06 18:32 ` [PATCH 9/9] KVM: selftests: Test a memory provider shared by KVM and iommufd Fred Griffoul
2026-10-10 7:36 ` [RFC PATCH 0/9] mm: Memory providers for guest_memfd " Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-10-12 9:58 ` Fred Griffoul
2026-10-12 10:07 ` David Woodhouse
2026-10-12 14:41 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-10-12 15:07 ` Fred Griffoul [this message]
2026-10-12 15:13 ` David Woodhouse
2026-10-12 15:48 ` Fred Griffoul
2026-10-13 19:53 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-10-14 9:37 ` David Woodhouse
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