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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org>
Cc: Dionna Glaze <drdeeglaze@gmail.com>,
	Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>,
	linux-coco@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
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	lukas@wunner.de, ksinyuk@kernel.org, rodrigo.vivi@intel.com,
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	James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com, aik@amd.com,
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	jic23@kernel.org, alistair.francis@wdc.com, ankita@nvidia.com,
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	rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com, elena.reshetova@intel.com,
	dave.hansen@linux.intel.com,
	sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@linux.intel.com, peter.fang@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 00/20] attestation: Add a common subsystem and TDX support
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2026 20:10:07 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20261017231007.GP13920@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <atPgqROZZxnihYfC@kernel.org>

On Sat, Oct 17, 2026 at 11:55:05PM +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 17, 2026 at 05:34:07PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > +Jarkko
> > > The TPM driver is pretty entrenched and heavily used by different user
> > > space applications, so it seems really ambitious to bundle in TPM
> > > here.
> > 
> > By "ROT agility" I mean if you want to do an extend operation you
> > should not have to know the details of the HW holding the "PCR".
> > 
> > One of the APIs offered here is a HW agnostic extend that can be used
> > to build ROT agility into user space programs that are doing
> > logging. That's systemd-pcr-extend for example.
> > 
> > The extent of the TPM support is to be able to issue a PCR extend
> > triggered with a TPM command by the agnostic API. Not ambitious at
> > all.
> 
> I wish I had a better picture what is going on.
> 
> I don't have capacity to heavily on this but can help sorting out
> issues if they are put better into nutshell.

No worries, thank you. The eventual TPM commands are probably the
easiest thing here. The really big investment was mapping out the
capabilities for a wide range of a HW types and come with with a
reasonable language to describe all of it

> I would recommend to at least check out tpm2-protocol because when
> I did it my main use case was exactly protocol interceptor. It is
> designed from the bottom for that one use case. Plus zero cost
> memory usage can be casted to a raw pointer.

Currently we don't have an intention to flow TPM command packets
through this. Anything would be a high level operation like 'extend'

Jason

      reply	other threads:[~2026-10-17 23:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-15 14:50 [PATCH RFC 00/20] attestation: Add a common subsystem and TDX support Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 01/20] ctlv: Add the schema language and generator Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:58   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 02/20] ctlv: Add the UAPI wire format and family API Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 03/20] ctlv: Add the root family specification and generated files Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 04/20] Documentation: ctlv: Add userspace ABI Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 05/20] ctlv: Prepare message input handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 15:06   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 06/20] ctlv: Prepare blob descriptor validation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 07/20] ctlv: Prepare schema validation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 15:14   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 08/20] ctlv: Prepare message output handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 09/20] ctlv: Prepare VA blob handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 15:14   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 10/20] ctlv: Prepare event queue support Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 15:22   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 11/20] ctlv: Prepare runtime introspection Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 12/20] ctlv: Add device and operation dispatch Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 15:28   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 13/20] Documentation: ctlv: Describe how to write a family Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 15:20   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 14/20] attestation: Add the base family specification and generated files Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 15/20] attestation: Prepare provider and instance core Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 15:30   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 16/20] attestation: Prepare measurement register journal Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 17/20] attestation: Add CTLV operation handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 15:33   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 18/20] tdx-guest: Expose the native attestation service API Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 15:40   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 19/20] attestation: Add the TDX family specification and generated files Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 20/20] attestation: Add the TDX family implementation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 15:40   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-16 23:43 ` [PATCH RFC 00/20] attestation: Add a common subsystem and TDX support Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-17 18:16   ` Dionna Glaze
2026-10-17 19:06     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 19:08       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 19:22         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 20:55       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-17 21:14         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 20:34     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-17 20:55       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 23:10         ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]

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