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From: Christian Lamparter <chunkeey@gmail.com>
To: Alan Cox <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	peterz@infradead.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org,
	Elena Reshetova <elena.reshetova@intel.com>,
	gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, Kalle Valo <kvalo@codeaurora.org>,
	alan@linux.intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 08/18] carl9170: prevent bounds-check bypass via speculative execution
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 17:38:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2038096.RuDH0FGIcm@debian64> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180106150621.2221a646@alans-desktop>

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 4:06:21 PM CET Alan Cox wrote:
> > The only way a user can set this in any meaningful way would be via
> > a NL80211_CMD_SET_WIPHY netlink message. However, the value will get
> > vetted there by cfg80211's parse_txq_params [0]. This is long before
> 
> Far more than a couple of hundred instructions ?
Well, the user would have to send a netlink message each time. So
cfg80211 can parse it (this is where the initial "if queue >= 4 " check
happen). So the CPU would have to continue through and into 
rdev_set_txq_params() to get to mac80211's ieee80211_set_txq_params().
Then pass through that before gets to the driver's op_tx_conf. Once
there the driver code aquires a mutex_lock too before it gets to
check the queue value again.

Is this enough and how would the mutex_lock fit in there? Or can
the CPU skip past this as well? 
> The problem is that the processor will speculate that the parameter
> is valid and continue on that basis until the speculation resolves
> or it hits some other limit that stops it speculating further.
> That can be quite a distance on a modern x86 processor, and for all
> we know could be even more on some of the other CPUs involved.
 
> > it reaches any of the *_op_conf_tx functions.
> > 
> > And Furthermore a invalid queue (param->ac) would cause a crash in 
> > this line in mac80211 before it even reaches the driver [1]:
> > |	sdata->tx_conf[params->ac] = p;
> > |                   ^^^^^^^^
> 
> Firstly it might not because the address you get as a result could be
> valid kernel memory. In fact your attackers wants it to be valid kernel
> memory since they are trying to find the value of a piece of that memory.
> 
> Secondly the processor is doing this speculatively so it won't fault. It
> will eventually decide it went the wrong way and throw all the
> speculative work away - leaving footprints. It won't fault unless the
> speculative resolves that was the real path the code took.
> 
> If it's not a performance critical path then it's better to be safe.
Thank you for reading the canary too.

Christian

  reply	other threads:[~2018-01-06 16:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 196+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-06  1:09 [PATCH 00/18] prevent bounds-check bypass via speculative execution Dan Williams
2018-01-06  1:09 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06  1:09 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06  1:09 ` [PATCH 01/18] asm-generic/barrier: add generic nospec helpers Dan Williams
2018-01-06  2:55   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-06  5:23     ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 17:08       ` Mark Rutland
2018-01-06  1:10 ` [PATCH 02/18] Documentation: document " Dan Williams
2018-01-08 16:29   ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-01-08 17:09     ` Mark Rutland
2018-01-08 21:19       ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-01-06  1:10 ` [PATCH 03/18] arm64: implement nospec_ptr() Dan Williams
2018-01-06  1:10 ` [PATCH 04/18] arm: " Dan Williams
2018-01-10  2:04   ` Laura Abbott
2018-01-10  7:40     ` Hanjun Guo
2018-01-10  7:40       ` Hanjun Guo
2018-01-10 17:24       ` Laura Abbott
2018-01-06  1:10 ` [PATCH 05/18] x86: implement nospec_barrier() Dan Williams
2018-01-06  1:10 ` [PATCH 06/18] x86, barrier: stop speculation for failed access_ok Dan Williams
2018-01-06  2:52   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-06  3:09     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-06 23:31       ` Dan Williams
2018-01-07  1:20         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-08 21:09           ` Dan Williams
2018-01-08 23:44             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-08 23:53               ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06  5:47     ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 12:32     ` Alan Cox
2018-01-06 17:56       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-06 18:13       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-06 18:29         ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 18:39           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-06 18:54             ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 19:25               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-06 19:36                 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 19:41                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-08 10:02                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-06 18:38         ` Alan Cox
2018-01-06 18:51           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-06 19:55             ` Alan Cox
2018-01-06 20:09               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-06 20:22                 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-06 21:17                   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-06 21:21                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-06 23:05                     ` Alan Cox
2018-01-07  3:38                       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-07  6:33                         ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-07 19:47                           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-07 20:12                             ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-07 20:17                               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-07 20:56                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-08  2:23                                   ` David Miller
2018-01-08  2:23                                     ` David Miller
2018-01-08  2:23                                     ` David Miller
2018-01-08  7:38                                     ` Greg KH
2018-01-07 22:15                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-07 20:15                             ` Dan Williams
2018-01-08  2:24                               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-08  9:51                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-08 18:21                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-08 12:00                             ` David Laight
2018-01-08 12:12                               ` Alan Cox
2018-01-08 12:33                                 ` David Laight
2018-01-07 10:08                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-08  2:09                           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-07 13:59                         ` Alan Cox
2018-01-08  2:57                           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-08  9:57                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-06 20:42           ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-07  1:36             ` David Miller
2018-01-07 17:19               ` James Bottomley
2018-01-07 18:31                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-08  2:04                   ` David Miller
2018-01-07 19:24                 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-09 21:41     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-09 21:47       ` Dan Williams
2018-01-09 21:49         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-09 21:59           ` Dan Williams
2018-01-09 22:23             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-09 22:35               ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06  1:10 ` [PATCH 07/18] [media] uvcvideo: prevent bounds-check bypass via speculative execution Dan Williams
2018-01-06  9:09   ` Greg KH
2018-01-06  9:40     ` Greg KH
2018-01-06 17:41       ` Dan Williams
2018-01-07  9:09         ` Greg KH
2018-01-07 19:37           ` Dan Williams
2018-01-09  8:40       ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-01-09 10:04         ` Greg KH
2018-01-09 14:26           ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-01-09 14:47             ` Greg KH
2018-01-08 11:23   ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-01-09  2:11     ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06  1:10 ` [PATCH 08/18] carl9170: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06 10:01   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2018-01-06 14:23   ` Christian Lamparter
2018-01-06 15:06     ` Alan Cox
2018-01-06 16:38       ` Christian Lamparter [this message]
2018-01-06 16:34     ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06  1:10 ` [PATCH 09/18] p54: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06 10:01   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2018-01-06  1:10 ` [PATCH 10/18] qla2xxx: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06  9:03   ` Greg KH
2018-01-06  9:42     ` Greg KH
2018-01-11 22:15     ` Dan Williams
2018-01-12  7:27       ` Greg KH
2018-01-12 15:25         ` James Bottomley
2018-01-06  1:10 ` [PATCH 11/18] cw1200: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06  1:10 ` [PATCH 12/18] Thermal/int340x: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06  1:53   ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-01-06  1:57     ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 17:24       ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-01-06 10:03   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2018-01-06  1:11 ` [PATCH 13/18] ipv6: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06 10:04   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2018-01-06 14:48   ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-01-06 18:05     ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06  1:11 ` [PATCH 14/18] ipv4: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06  9:00   ` Greg KH
2018-01-06  9:01   ` Greg KH
2018-01-06 12:23     ` Alan Cox
2018-01-06 15:14       ` Greg KH
2018-01-06 16:29         ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 18:10           ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 10:04   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2018-01-06  1:11 ` [PATCH 15/18] vfs, fdtable: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06 10:05   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2018-01-06  1:11 ` [PATCH 16/18] net: mpls: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06 10:06   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2018-01-09  3:11   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-09  3:42     ` Dan Williams
2018-01-09  4:13       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-09  4:21         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-10  0:48         ` Dan Williams
2018-01-10  1:33           ` Dan Williams
2018-01-10  1:57           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-10  2:22             ` Dan Williams
2018-01-10  3:07               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-10  3:27           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-09 16:17       ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-09 18:01         ` Dan Williams
2018-01-10  0:54           ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-10  1:31             ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06  1:11 ` [PATCH 17/18] udf: " Dan Williams
2018-01-08 10:20   ` Jan Kara
2018-01-06  1:11 ` [PATCH 18/18] userns: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06  2:22 ` [PATCH 00/18] " Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-06  2:22   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-06  2:22   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]   ` <87y3lbpvzp.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-01-06  6:30     ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06  6:30       ` Dan Williams
2018-01-08 10:08       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-08 10:08         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-08 11:14         ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-01-08 11:43         ` Alan Cox
2018-01-08 11:43           ` Alan Cox
2018-01-08 11:43           ` Alan Cox
2018-01-08 11:55           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-08 11:55             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-08 11:55             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-08 18:33           ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-08 18:33             ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-08 18:33             ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-08 16:20       ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-08 16:20         ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-06 18:56 ` Florian Fainelli
2018-01-06 18:56   ` Florian Fainelli
2018-01-06 18:56   ` Florian Fainelli
2018-01-06 18:59   ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-06 18:59     ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-06 18:59     ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-06 19:37 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 19:37   ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 19:37   ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 20:07   ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 20:07     ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 20:07     ` Dan Williams
2018-01-08  4:49 ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-08 13:33   ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-09 19:34 ` Jiri Kosina
2018-01-09 19:34   ` Jiri Kosina
2018-01-09 19:34   ` Jiri Kosina
2018-01-09 19:44   ` Dan Williams
2018-01-09 19:44     ` Dan Williams
2018-01-09 20:55     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-09 20:55       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-09 20:55       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-11  9:54       ` Jiri Kosina
2018-01-11  9:54         ` Jiri Kosina
2018-01-11  9:54         ` Jiri Kosina
2018-01-11 15:58         ` Dan Williams
2018-01-11 15:58           ` Dan Williams
2018-01-11 15:58           ` Dan Williams
2018-01-11 16:34           ` Daniel Borkmann
2018-01-11 16:34             ` Daniel Borkmann
2018-01-11 16:34             ` Daniel Borkmann
2018-01-13 11:33 ` QingFeng Hao

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