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From: corbet@lwn.net (Jonathan Corbet)
To: Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH/RFC] msleep() with hrtimers
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:42:34 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <21003.1184596954@lwn.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:39:48 +0200." <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707161325040.1818@scrub.home>

Hey, Roman,

> One possible problem here is that setting up that timer can be 
> considerably more expensive, for a relative timer you have to read the 
> current time, which can be quite expensive (e.g. your machine now uses the 
> PIT timer, because TSC was deemed unstable).

That's a possibility, I admit I haven't benchmarked it.  I will say that
I don't think it will be enough to matter - msleep() is not a hot-path
sort of function.  Once the system is up and running it almost never
gets called at all - at least, on my setup.

> One question here would be, is it really a problem to sleep a little more?

"A little more" is a bit different than "twenty times as long as you
asked for."  That "little bit more" added up to a few seconds when
programming a device which needs a brief delay after tweaking each of
almost 200 registers.

> BTW there is another thing to consider. If you already run with hrtimer/ 
> dyntick, there is not much reason to keep HZ at 100, so you could just 
> increase HZ to get the same effect.

Except that then, with the current implementation, you're paying for the
higher HZ whenever the CPU is busy.  I bet that doesn't take long to
overwhelm any added overhead in the hrtimer msleep().

In the end, I did this because I thought msleep() should do what it
claims to do, because I thought that getting a known-to-expire timeout
off the timer wheel made sense, and to make a tiny baby step in the
direction of reducing the use of jiffies in the core code.

jon

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-07-16 14:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-15 22:42 [PATCH/RFC] msleep() with hrtimers Jonathan Corbet
2007-07-15 23:10 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-07-16 10:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-16 11:39 ` Roman Zippel
2007-07-16 11:47   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-16 11:54     ` Roman Zippel
2007-07-16 11:57       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-16 12:05         ` Roman Zippel
2007-07-16 12:19           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-16 13:00             ` Roman Zippel
2007-07-16 14:09               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-16 14:32                 ` Roman Zippel
2007-07-16 14:42   ` Jonathan Corbet [this message]
2007-07-16 15:18     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-16 15:43     ` Roman Zippel
2007-07-16 15:57       ` Ray Lee
2007-07-16 16:08         ` Nish Aravamudan
2007-07-17  4:04           ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-18 17:53             ` Nish Aravamudan
2007-07-16 16:10       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-16 16:55         ` Roman Zippel
2007-07-16 17:46       ` Jonathan Corbet
2007-07-20 12:49         ` Roman Zippel
2007-07-16 14:11 ` Roman Zippel

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