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From: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	torvalds@osdl.org, akpm@osdl.org, mingo@redhat.com,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc64-dev@ozlabs.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Document Linux's memory barriers
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 11:41:02 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <24280.1141904462@warthog.cambridge.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1141855305.10606.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:

> > The LOCK and UNLOCK functions presumably make at least one memory write apiece
> > to manipulate the target lock (on SMP at least).
> 
> No they merely perform the bus transactions neccessary to perform an
> update atomically. They are however "serializing" instructions which
> means they do cause a certain amount of serialization (see the intel
> architecture manual on serializing instructions for detail).
> 
> Athlon and later know how to turn it from locked memory accesses into
> merely an exclusive cache line grab.

So, you're saying that the LOCK and UNLOCK primitives don't actually modify
memory, but rather simply pin the cacheline into the CPU's cache and refuse to
let anyone else touch it?

No... it can't work like that. It *must* make a memory modification - after
all, the CPU doesn't know that what it's doing is a spin_unlock(), say, rather
than an atomic_set().

David

  reply	other threads:[~2006-03-09 11:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-07 17:40 [PATCH] Document Linux's memory barriers David Howells
2006-03-07 10:34 ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-07 18:30   ` David Howells
2006-03-07 11:13     ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-07 19:24       ` David Howells
2006-03-07 19:46         ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-03-07 18:46     ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-07 19:23     ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2006-03-07 11:57       ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-07 20:01         ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-07 21:14         ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2006-03-07 21:24           ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-08  0:36             ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08  0:35         ` Alan Cox
2006-03-07 17:47 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-03-07 18:40 ` Alan Cox
2006-03-07 18:54   ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-03-07 18:54     ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-03-07 19:06     ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-03-07 19:15       ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-03-07 19:15         ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-03-09 11:26         ` Sergei Organov
2006-03-07 19:33     ` Alan Cox
2006-03-07 20:09   ` David Howells
2006-03-08  0:32     ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08  8:25     ` Duncan Sands
2006-03-08 22:06       ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-08 22:24         ` David S. Miller
2006-03-08 22:31           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-08 22:42         ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08  2:07 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-08  3:10 ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-08  3:30   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-08 12:34     ` David Howells
2006-03-08 16:40       ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2006-03-08  7:41   ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-08 13:19   ` David Howells
2006-03-08 21:49     ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-08 22:05       ` Alan Cox
2006-03-10  0:49     ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-03-08 14:37 ` [PATCH] Document Linux's memory barriers [try #2] David Howells
2006-03-08 14:55   ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08 15:41     ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-03-08 17:19       ` David Howells
2006-03-08 22:10         ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-08 23:08           ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2006-03-09  1:01             ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09 16:02               ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2006-03-08 17:04     ` David Howells
2006-03-08 17:36       ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08 18:35         ` David Howells
2006-03-08 18:45           ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08 18:59             ` David Howells
2006-03-08 11:38               ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-08 19:08             ` David Howells
2006-03-08 19:26               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-08 19:31                 ` David Howells
2006-03-09  0:35                   ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09  0:54                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-09  1:08                       ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09  1:27                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-09  2:38                           ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-09  3:45                           ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09  4:36                             ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-09  7:41                               ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09  5:38                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-09 12:27                               ` David Howells
2006-03-09 11:44                             ` Michael Buesch
2006-03-09  4:34                           ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-09  4:43                             ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09 10:05                               ` Jes Sorensen
2006-03-09  0:55                     ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-09  1:57                       ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09  4:26                         ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-08 19:40                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-03-09  0:37                   ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09  0:59                     ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-09  1:36                       ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09  4:18                         ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-08 19:54                 ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-08 20:02                 ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08 22:01     ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-08 22:23       ` David S. Miller
2006-03-08 19:37   ` [PATCH] Document Linux's memory barriers [try #3] David Howells
2006-03-09 14:01     ` David Howells
2006-03-09 12:02   ` [PATCH] Document Linux's memory barriers [try #2] Sergei Organov
2006-03-08 16:18 ` [PATCH] Document Linux's memory barriers Pavel Machek
2006-03-08 20:16   ` David Howells
2006-03-08 22:01     ` Alan Cox
2006-03-09 11:41       ` David Howells [this message]
2006-03-09 12:28         ` Alan Cox
2006-03-09 13:02           ` David Howells
2006-03-09 16:32         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-09 17:39           ` David Howells
2006-03-09 17:54             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-09 17:56               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-08 16:26 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-08 17:35   ` David Howells
2006-03-08 17:46     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-08 17:59       ` Alan Cox
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-03-07 23:17 Chuck Ebbert
2006-03-08  0:15 ` David S. Miller
2006-03-08  0:24 ` Roberto Nibali
     [not found] <5NONi-2hp-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <5NOtZ-1FO-27@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <5NPgs-2Rw-37@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <5NPq4-34a-23@gated-at.bofh.it>
2006-03-08  0:22       ` Robert Hancock
     [not found] ` <5NQ2U-462-29@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <5NRLg-6LJ-31@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <5NRUR-6Yo-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <5NUSF-30Z-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
2006-03-08  1:10         ` Robert Hancock
2006-03-08 11:35           ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08 14:55           ` Andi Kleen

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