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From: Steve Grubb <sgrubb@redhat.com>
To: Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>
Cc: Ricardo Robaina <rrobaina@redhat.com>,
	audit@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	eparis@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] audit: add backlog high water mark metric
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2026 16:33:42 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2620823.XAFRqVoOGU@x2> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHC9VhTN+vjkSSjtfFegC9cEAcGAonYY9sNk_84_nJwLay1wwg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wednesday, April 15, 2026 11:21:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time Paul Moore 
wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2026 at 11:19 AM Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2026 at 11:45 PM Steve Grubb <sgrubb@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > On Friday, April 10, 2026 5:34:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time Paul Moore 
wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2026 at 11:07 AM Ricardo Robaina
> > > > <rrobaina@redhat.com>
> > > 
> > > wrote:
> > ...
> > 
> > > ... compliance-driven systems that must use a finite backlog limit for
> > > memory safety but cannot tolerate dropped events ...> 
> > You must pick one of those two requirements, or at the very least
> > prioritize them; it is simply impossible to both limit the backlog
> > queue and require zero dropped events.
> 
> To be perfectly honest, it's also impossible to require zero dropped
> events.  Even in the most extreme configurations where the admin
> decides to panic the system, that only happens once the system reaches
> the point where it is dropping events.  We try *really* hard to not
> drop events, but it is always going to be a possibility.

You're helping make the point.  Those administrators have decided reliable 
auditing is more important than system availability. backlog_max_depth gives 
them the one thing they currently lack: advance warning. If the high-water 
mark is consistently approaching the backlog limit, they have actionable 
information to raise the limit, reduce audit rule coverage, or address the 
underlying load - before the system goes down. These are exactly the users 
who would benefit the most from this metric.

-Steve



  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-16 20:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-23 15:07 [PATCH] audit: add backlog high water mark metric Ricardo Robaina
2026-03-23 16:48 ` Steve Grubb
2026-04-10 21:34 ` Paul Moore
2026-04-15  3:45   ` Steve Grubb
2026-04-15 15:19     ` Paul Moore
2026-04-15 15:21       ` Paul Moore
2026-04-16 20:33         ` Steve Grubb [this message]
2026-04-16 20:51           ` Paul Moore
2026-04-16 20:58             ` Paul Moore
2026-04-17 13:02               ` Ricardo Robaina
2026-05-12 15:54                 ` Paul Moore

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