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From: Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>
To: George Dunlap <dunlapg@umich.edu>
Cc: Andrew Cooper <Andrew.Cooper3@citrix.com>,
	Roger Pau Monne <roger.pau@citrix.com>, Wei Liu <wl@xen.org>,
	Stefano Stabellini <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
	Julien Grall <julien@xen.org>,
	Volodymyr Babchuk <Volodymyr_Babchuk@epam.com>,
	Bertrand Marquis <bertrand.marquis@arm.com>,
	Henry Wang <Henry.Wang@arm.com>,
	Anthony Perard <anthony.perard@citrix.com>,
	Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org>,
	George Dunlap <george.dunlap@citrix.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] xen: Introduce non-broken hypercalls for the p2m pool size
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 10:26:43 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2a8a490b-fd5c-5fe5-64ec-975c9c4784d0@suse.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFLBxZbWkLSMxXAYRGYc9Z3Vvj6bT+m7nvdiZgWRdr+_nF0BfQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 28.10.2022 17:27, George Dunlap wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 8:12 AM Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 26.10.2022 21:22, Andrew Cooper wrote:
>>> On 26/10/2022 14:42, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>
> 
> 
>>> paging isn't a great name.  While it's what we call the infrastructure
>>> in x86, it has nothing to do with paging things out to disk (the thing
>>> everyone associates the name with), nor the xenpaging infrastructure
>>> (Xen's version of what OS paging supposedly means).
>>
>> Okay, "paging" can be somewhat misleading. But "p2m" also doesn't fit
>> the use(s) on x86. Yet we'd like to use a name clearly better than the
>> previous (and yet more wrong/misleading) "shadow". I have to admit that
>> I can't think of any other sensible name, and among the ones discussed
>> I still think "paging" is the one coming closest despite the
>> generally different meaning of the word elsewhere.
>>
> 
> Inside the world of operating systems / hypervisors, "paging" has always
> meant "things related to a pagetable"; this includes "paging out to disk".
> In fact, the latter already has a perfectly good name -- "swap" (e.g., swap
> file, swappiness, hypervisor swap).
> 
> Grep for "paging" inside of Xen.  We have the paging lock, paging modes,
> nested paging, and so on.  There's absolutely no reason to start thinking
> of "paging" as exclusively meaning "hypervisor swap".

Just to clarify: You actually support my thinking that "paging" is an okay
term to use here? I ask because, perhaps merely because of not being a
native speaker, to me content and wording suggest different things: The
former appears to support my response to Andrew, while the latter reads to
me as if you were objecting.

Jan


  reply	other threads:[~2022-10-31  9:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-26 10:20 [PATCH for-4.17 0/4] XSA-409 fixes Andrew Cooper
2022-10-26 10:20 ` [PATCH 1/4] xen: Introduce non-broken hypercalls for the p2m pool size Andrew Cooper
2022-10-26 13:42   ` Jan Beulich
2022-10-26 19:22     ` Andrew Cooper
2022-10-26 21:24       ` Julien Grall
2022-10-27  6:56         ` Jan Beulich
2022-10-27  9:27           ` Julien Grall
2022-10-27  7:11       ` Jan Beulich
2022-10-28 15:27         ` George Dunlap
2022-10-31  9:26           ` Jan Beulich [this message]
2022-10-31 10:12             ` George Dunlap
2022-11-16  1:19           ` Stefano Stabellini
2022-11-16  8:26             ` Jan Beulich
2022-10-27  7:42   ` Jan Beulich
2022-10-26 10:20 ` [PATCH 2/4] tools/tests: Unit test for " Andrew Cooper
2022-10-26 14:24   ` Jan Beulich
2022-10-26 14:35     ` Andrew Cooper
2022-10-26 10:20 ` [PATCH 3/4] xen/arm, libxl: Revert XEN_DOMCTL_shadow_op; use p2m mempool hypercalls Andrew Cooper
2022-10-26 13:22   ` Jason Andryuk
2022-10-26 13:25     ` Andrew Cooper
2022-11-16  1:37   ` Stefano Stabellini
2022-11-16  1:48     ` Andrew Cooper
2022-11-16  2:00       ` Stefano Stabellini
2022-11-16  2:39         ` Henry Wang
2022-11-16  8:30         ` Jan Beulich
2022-11-16 23:41           ` Andrew Cooper
2022-11-16 23:44             ` Stefano Stabellini
2022-11-16 23:51               ` Julien Grall
2022-11-16 23:56                 ` Stefano Stabellini
2022-11-17  8:18             ` Jan Beulich
2022-10-26 10:20 ` [PATCH 4/4] xen/arm: Correct the p2m pool size calculations Andrew Cooper
2022-11-11 10:11   ` Henry Wang
2022-11-11 10:54     ` Julien Grall

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