From: Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org>
To: Haylen Chu <heylenay@4d2.org>
Cc: Michael Turquette <mturquette@baylibre.com>,
Stephen Boyd <sboyd@kernel.org>, Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>,
Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk+dt@kernel.org>,
Conor Dooley <conor+dt@kernel.org>,
Haylen Chu <heylenay@outlook.com>, Yixun Lan <dlan@gentoo.org>,
linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, linux-clk@vger.kernel.org,
devicetree@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Inochi Amaoto <inochiama@outlook.com>,
Chen Wang <unicornxdotw@foxmail.com>,
Jisheng Zhang <jszhang@kernel.org>,
Meng Zhang <zhangmeng.kevin@linux.spacemit.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 2/4] dt-bindings: soc: spacemit: Add spacemit,k1-syscon
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2025 19:07:55 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2ab715bd-e26c-41bb-ac64-baa864d90414@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z63T_EDvXiuRQbvb@ketchup>
On 13/02/2025 12:14, Haylen Chu wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 09:03:20AM +0100, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
>> On 11/02/2025 06:15, Haylen Chu wrote:
>>> On Sat, Jan 04, 2025 at 11:07:58AM +0100, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Jan 03, 2025 at 09:56:35PM +0000, Haylen Chu wrote:
>>>>> Add documentation to describe Spacemit K1 system controller registers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Haylen Chu <heylenay@4d2.org>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> .../soc/spacemit/spacemit,k1-syscon.yaml | 52 +++++++++++++++++++
>>>>> 1 file changed, 52 insertions(+)
>>>>> create mode 100644 Documentation/devicetree/bindings/soc/spacemit/spacemit,k1-syscon.yaml
>>>>>
>>>>> diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/soc/spacemit/spacemit,k1-syscon.yaml b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/soc/spacemit/spacemit,k1-syscon.yaml
>>>>> new file mode 100644
>>>>> index 000000000000..79c4a74ff30e
>>>>> --- /dev/null
>>>>> +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/soc/spacemit/spacemit,k1-syscon.yaml
>>>>> @@ -0,0 +1,52 @@
>>>>> +# SPDX-License-Identifier: (GPL-2.0-only OR BSD-2-Clause)
>>>>> +%YAML 1.2
>>>>> +---
>>>>> +$id: http://devicetree.org/schemas/soc/spacemit/spacemit,k1-syscon.yaml#
>>>>> +$schema: http://devicetree.org/meta-schemas/core.yaml#
>>>>> +
>>>>> +title: Spacemit K1 SoC System Controller
>>>>> +
>>>>> +maintainers:
>>>>> + - Haylen Chu <heylenay@4d2.org>
>>>>> +
>>>>> +description:
>>>>> + The Spacemit K1 SoC system controller provides access to shared register files
>>>>> + for related SoC modules, such as clock controller and reset controller.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +properties:
>>>>> + compatible:
>>>>> + items:
>>>>> + - enum:
>>>>> + - spacemit,k1-apbc-syscon
>>>>> + - spacemit,k1-apbs-syscon
>>>>> + - spacemit,k1-apmu-syscon
>>>>> + - spacemit,k1-mpmu-syscon
>>>>> + - const: syscon
>>>>> + - const: simple-mfd
>>>>> +
>>>>> + reg:
>>>>> + maxItems: 1
>>>>> +
>>>>> + clock-controller:
>>>>> + $ref: /schemas/clock/spacemit,k1-ccu.yaml#
>>>>> + type: object
>>>>
>>>> So now we see the full picture and it leads to questions.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Why spacemit,k1-apbc-syscon with spacemit,k1-ccu-apmu child is a
>>>> correct combination?
>>>>
>>>> 2. Why having this split in the first place? Please confirm that clock
>>>> controller is really, really a separate device and its child in
>>>> datasheet. IOW, fake child for your Linux is a no-go. Fake child while
>>>> devices are independent is another no-go.
>>>
>>> These syscons are introduced because the clock controllers share
>>> registers with reset controllers. Folding them into the parents results
>>
>> So a fake split...
>>
>>> in devicetree nodes act as both reset and clock controllers, like what
>>
>> Which is correct hardware representation, isn't it?
>>
>>> has been done for Rockchip SoCs. Such folding isn't practical for the
>>> MPMU region either, since watchdog and other misc bits (e.g. PLL lock
>>> status) locates in it.
>
> I have to correct that the watchdog doesn't stay in the MPMU region, I
> misremembered it.
>
>> Hm? Why? You have a device which is reset and clock controller, so why
>> one device node is not practical? Other vendors do not have problem with
>> this.
>
> Merging reset and clock controllers together is fine to me. What I want
> to mention is that APMU and MPMU, abbreviated from Application/Main Power
> Management Unit, contain not only clock/reset-related registers but also
> power management ones[1]. Additionally, the PLL lock status bits locate
> at MPMU, split from the PLL configuration registers as you've already
> seen in the binding of spacemit,k1-ccu-apbs where I refer to it with a
> phandle.
You need to define what is the device here. Don't create fake nodes just
for your drivers. If registers are interleaved and manual says "this is
block APMU/MPMU" then you have one device, so one node with 'reg'.
If subblocks are re-usable hardware (unlikely) or at least
separate/distinguishable, you could have children. If subblocks are
re-usable but addresses are interleaved, then children should not have
'reg'. If children do not have any resources as an effect, this is
strong indication these are not re-usable, separate subblocks.
>
> Since reset/clock and power management registers interleave in the MMIO
> region, do you think syscons are acceptable in this situation or it
> should be handled in another way? The reset and clock controllers could
> still be folded together as they share the same registers. The device
> tree will look like,
>
> syscon_mpmu: system-controller@d4050000 {
> compatible = "spacemit,mpmu-syscon", "syscon", "simple-mfd";
> reg = <0xd4050000 0x10000>;
>
> cru_mpmu: clock-controller {
> compatible = "spacemit,k1-cru-mpmu";
> #clock-cells = <1>;
> #reset-cells = <1>;
> };
>
> power_mpmu: power-controller {
> compatible = "spacemit,k1-powerdomain-mpmu";
> /* ... */
> #power-domain-cells = <0>;
> };
Based on above, I do not see any need for children device nodes. It's
fake split to match driver design.
> };
>
> For the other two clock controllers (APBS and APBC), syscons are really
> unnecessary and it's simple to fold them.
I don't follow. Do we talk about children or syscon compatible?
Best regards,
Krzysztof
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From: Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org>
To: Haylen Chu <heylenay@4d2.org>
Cc: Michael Turquette <mturquette@baylibre.com>,
Stephen Boyd <sboyd@kernel.org>, Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>,
Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk+dt@kernel.org>,
Conor Dooley <conor+dt@kernel.org>,
Haylen Chu <heylenay@outlook.com>, Yixun Lan <dlan@gentoo.org>,
linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, linux-clk@vger.kernel.org,
devicetree@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Inochi Amaoto <inochiama@outlook.com>,
Chen Wang <unicornxdotw@foxmail.com>,
Jisheng Zhang <jszhang@kernel.org>,
Meng Zhang <zhangmeng.kevin@linux.spacemit.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 2/4] dt-bindings: soc: spacemit: Add spacemit,k1-syscon
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2025 19:07:55 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2ab715bd-e26c-41bb-ac64-baa864d90414@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z63T_EDvXiuRQbvb@ketchup>
On 13/02/2025 12:14, Haylen Chu wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 09:03:20AM +0100, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
>> On 11/02/2025 06:15, Haylen Chu wrote:
>>> On Sat, Jan 04, 2025 at 11:07:58AM +0100, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Jan 03, 2025 at 09:56:35PM +0000, Haylen Chu wrote:
>>>>> Add documentation to describe Spacemit K1 system controller registers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Haylen Chu <heylenay@4d2.org>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> .../soc/spacemit/spacemit,k1-syscon.yaml | 52 +++++++++++++++++++
>>>>> 1 file changed, 52 insertions(+)
>>>>> create mode 100644 Documentation/devicetree/bindings/soc/spacemit/spacemit,k1-syscon.yaml
>>>>>
>>>>> diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/soc/spacemit/spacemit,k1-syscon.yaml b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/soc/spacemit/spacemit,k1-syscon.yaml
>>>>> new file mode 100644
>>>>> index 000000000000..79c4a74ff30e
>>>>> --- /dev/null
>>>>> +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/soc/spacemit/spacemit,k1-syscon.yaml
>>>>> @@ -0,0 +1,52 @@
>>>>> +# SPDX-License-Identifier: (GPL-2.0-only OR BSD-2-Clause)
>>>>> +%YAML 1.2
>>>>> +---
>>>>> +$id: http://devicetree.org/schemas/soc/spacemit/spacemit,k1-syscon.yaml#
>>>>> +$schema: http://devicetree.org/meta-schemas/core.yaml#
>>>>> +
>>>>> +title: Spacemit K1 SoC System Controller
>>>>> +
>>>>> +maintainers:
>>>>> + - Haylen Chu <heylenay@4d2.org>
>>>>> +
>>>>> +description:
>>>>> + The Spacemit K1 SoC system controller provides access to shared register files
>>>>> + for related SoC modules, such as clock controller and reset controller.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +properties:
>>>>> + compatible:
>>>>> + items:
>>>>> + - enum:
>>>>> + - spacemit,k1-apbc-syscon
>>>>> + - spacemit,k1-apbs-syscon
>>>>> + - spacemit,k1-apmu-syscon
>>>>> + - spacemit,k1-mpmu-syscon
>>>>> + - const: syscon
>>>>> + - const: simple-mfd
>>>>> +
>>>>> + reg:
>>>>> + maxItems: 1
>>>>> +
>>>>> + clock-controller:
>>>>> + $ref: /schemas/clock/spacemit,k1-ccu.yaml#
>>>>> + type: object
>>>>
>>>> So now we see the full picture and it leads to questions.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Why spacemit,k1-apbc-syscon with spacemit,k1-ccu-apmu child is a
>>>> correct combination?
>>>>
>>>> 2. Why having this split in the first place? Please confirm that clock
>>>> controller is really, really a separate device and its child in
>>>> datasheet. IOW, fake child for your Linux is a no-go. Fake child while
>>>> devices are independent is another no-go.
>>>
>>> These syscons are introduced because the clock controllers share
>>> registers with reset controllers. Folding them into the parents results
>>
>> So a fake split...
>>
>>> in devicetree nodes act as both reset and clock controllers, like what
>>
>> Which is correct hardware representation, isn't it?
>>
>>> has been done for Rockchip SoCs. Such folding isn't practical for the
>>> MPMU region either, since watchdog and other misc bits (e.g. PLL lock
>>> status) locates in it.
>
> I have to correct that the watchdog doesn't stay in the MPMU region, I
> misremembered it.
>
>> Hm? Why? You have a device which is reset and clock controller, so why
>> one device node is not practical? Other vendors do not have problem with
>> this.
>
> Merging reset and clock controllers together is fine to me. What I want
> to mention is that APMU and MPMU, abbreviated from Application/Main Power
> Management Unit, contain not only clock/reset-related registers but also
> power management ones[1]. Additionally, the PLL lock status bits locate
> at MPMU, split from the PLL configuration registers as you've already
> seen in the binding of spacemit,k1-ccu-apbs where I refer to it with a
> phandle.
You need to define what is the device here. Don't create fake nodes just
for your drivers. If registers are interleaved and manual says "this is
block APMU/MPMU" then you have one device, so one node with 'reg'.
If subblocks are re-usable hardware (unlikely) or at least
separate/distinguishable, you could have children. If subblocks are
re-usable but addresses are interleaved, then children should not have
'reg'. If children do not have any resources as an effect, this is
strong indication these are not re-usable, separate subblocks.
>
> Since reset/clock and power management registers interleave in the MMIO
> region, do you think syscons are acceptable in this situation or it
> should be handled in another way? The reset and clock controllers could
> still be folded together as they share the same registers. The device
> tree will look like,
>
> syscon_mpmu: system-controller@d4050000 {
> compatible = "spacemit,mpmu-syscon", "syscon", "simple-mfd";
> reg = <0xd4050000 0x10000>;
>
> cru_mpmu: clock-controller {
> compatible = "spacemit,k1-cru-mpmu";
> #clock-cells = <1>;
> #reset-cells = <1>;
> };
>
> power_mpmu: power-controller {
> compatible = "spacemit,k1-powerdomain-mpmu";
> /* ... */
> #power-domain-cells = <0>;
> };
Based on above, I do not see any need for children device nodes. It's
fake split to match driver design.
> };
>
> For the other two clock controllers (APBS and APBC), syscons are really
> unnecessary and it's simple to fold them.
I don't follow. Do we talk about children or syscon compatible?
Best regards,
Krzysztof
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2025-01-03 21:56 [PATCH v4 0/4] Add clock controller support for SpacemiT K1 Haylen Chu
2025-01-03 21:56 ` Haylen Chu
2025-01-03 21:56 ` [PATCH v4 1/4] dt-bindings: clock: spacemit: Add clock controllers of Spacemit K1 SoC Haylen Chu
2025-01-03 21:56 ` Haylen Chu
2025-01-04 9:58 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-01-04 9:58 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-01-15 7:29 ` Haylen Chu
2025-01-15 7:29 ` Haylen Chu
2025-01-03 21:56 ` [PATCH v4 2/4] dt-bindings: soc: spacemit: Add spacemit,k1-syscon Haylen Chu
2025-01-03 21:56 ` Haylen Chu
2025-01-04 10:07 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-01-04 10:07 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
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2025-02-11 8:03 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
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2025-02-13 18:07 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski [this message]
2025-02-13 18:07 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-02-15 8:41 ` Haylen Chu
2025-02-15 8:41 ` Haylen Chu
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2025-02-22 9:59 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
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2025-02-22 11:50 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
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2025-02-24 10:17 ` Haylen Chu
2025-02-24 10:17 ` Haylen Chu
2025-02-25 8:12 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-02-25 8:12 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-02-25 21:14 ` Alex Elder
2025-02-25 21:14 ` Alex Elder
2025-02-22 9:52 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-02-22 9:52 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-02-22 11:36 ` Haylen Chu
2025-02-22 11:36 ` Haylen Chu
2025-01-03 21:56 ` [PATCH v4 3/4] clk: spacemit: Add clock support for Spacemit K1 SoC Haylen Chu
2025-01-03 21:56 ` Haylen Chu
2025-01-16 5:25 ` Samuel Holland
2025-01-16 5:25 ` Samuel Holland
2025-01-21 17:01 ` Haylen Chu
2025-01-21 17:01 ` Haylen Chu
2025-02-14 4:04 ` Alex Elder
2025-02-14 4:04 ` Alex Elder
2025-02-16 11:34 ` Haylen Chu
2025-02-16 11:34 ` Haylen Chu
2025-02-21 21:10 ` Alex Elder
2025-02-21 21:10 ` Alex Elder
2025-02-22 9:57 ` Haylen Chu
2025-02-22 9:57 ` Haylen Chu
2025-02-22 9:40 ` Haylen Chu
2025-02-22 9:40 ` Haylen Chu
2025-03-03 9:41 ` Haylen Chu
2025-03-03 9:41 ` Haylen Chu
2025-03-03 14:10 ` Alex Elder
2025-03-03 14:10 ` Alex Elder
2025-01-03 21:56 ` [PATCH v4 4/4] riscv: dts: spacemit: Add clock controller for K1 Haylen Chu
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