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From: Vadim Fedorenko <vadim.fedorenko@linux.dev>
To: Ivan Vecera <ivecera@redhat.com>, Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
Cc: Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	Arkadiusz Kubalewski <arkadiusz.kubalewski@intel.com>,
	Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>,
	Prathosh Satish <Prathosh.Satish@microchip.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-hwmon@vger.kernel.org,
	Michal Schmidt <mschmidt@redhat.com>,
	Petr Oros <poros@redhat.com>, Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>,
	Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 3/3] dpll: zl3073x: add hwmon support for input reference frequencies
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2026 15:56:20 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2ea6547d-aa47-4333-b569-3a10a8fa9988@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9f169bf2-1d1f-4f7f-9f9f-0b90d06673e0@redhat.com>

On 25/03/2026 11:19, Ivan Vecera wrote:
> 
> 
> On 3/24/26 10:36 PM, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 Mar 2026 13:59:19 +0100 Ivan Vecera wrote:
>>>>> In the hardware monitoring world one would have min/max attributes and
>>>>> one or more alarm attributes. I never heard about the idea of 
>>>>> reporting
>>>>> deviations, and for typical hardware monitoring attributes it does not
>>>>> really make sense. What would be a "deviation" of a temperature/
>>>>> voltage/current/power/humidity sensor ? Such attributes typically have
>>>>> an operational range, and they are allowed and even expected to
>>>>> fluctuate within that range.
>>>>
>>>> Ivan, my take on all the above is that using the HWmon interface 
>>>> here is
>>>> stretching it too much. I think it would be better to move debugfs
>>>> and/or netlink events.
>>>
>>> I'd rather avoid debugfs... My proposal is to expose absolute measured
>>> frequency attribute of dpll-pin and follow phase-offset-monitor
>>> functionality:
>>>
>>> So:
>>> * add real-frequency attribute to dpll pin
>>> * add real-frequency-monitor attribute dpll device
>>> * user will be able to enable/disable monitoring by enabling/disabling
>>>     real-frequency-monitor feature (similarly to phase-offset-monitor)
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>
>> I don't have a strong opinion. IDK where to draw the line between DPLL
>> and "random functionality some devices may have". We have 3 DPLL
>> maintainers, let's see what their majority opinion is..
> 
> I think that line has already been crossed by temperature reporting,
> which has been there since the beginning. Actual frequency measurement
> is, in my opinion, much closer to the DPLL world than temperature 
> reporting. :-)

Frequency measurements are DPLL-world properties indeed. Temperature
reporting was added as it has some influence on the stability of DPLL 
devices as well as on any oscillators.

> Anyway, I have the relevant patch-set already prepared, so I can submit
> it if you want to see it.
Feel free to submit, I'll be happy to review it.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-25 15:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-20 10:59 [PATCH net-next 0/3] dpll: zl3073x: add hwmon support Ivan Vecera
2026-03-20 10:59 ` [PATCH net-next 1/3] dpll: zl3073x: add hwmon support for die temperature Ivan Vecera
2026-03-20 10:59 ` [PATCH net-next 2/3] dpll: zl3073x: add input reference frequency measurement Ivan Vecera
2026-03-20 10:59 ` [PATCH net-next 3/3] dpll: zl3073x: add hwmon support for input reference frequencies Ivan Vecera
2026-03-20 12:21   ` Guenter Roeck
2026-03-20 13:48     ` Ivan Vecera
2026-03-23 22:48       ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-03-24  5:16         ` Guenter Roeck
2026-03-24 10:49           ` Paolo Abeni
2026-03-24 12:59             ` Ivan Vecera
2026-03-24 21:36               ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-03-25 11:19                 ` Ivan Vecera
2026-03-25 15:56                   ` Vadim Fedorenko [this message]
2026-03-25 16:04                     ` Ivan Vecera

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