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Peter Anvin wrote: > On June 5, 2026 2:13:07 AM PDT, Andrew Cooper wrote: >> On 05/06/2026 6:05 am, H. Peter Anvin wrote: >>> On June 4, 2026 9:38:46 PM PDT, Borislav Petkov wrote: >>>> On Thu, Jun 04, 2026 at 09:30:33PM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote: >>>>> On June 4, 2026 9:26:52 PM PDT, Borislav Petkov wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, Jun 04, 2026 at 08:20:57PM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote: >>>>>>> I guess the question is why there is a "first" one. >>>>>> That happens when we do: >>>>>> >>>>>> x86_fsgsbase_load() >>>>>> >>>>>> loadseg(GS) -> load_gs_index() -> native_load_gs_index() -> >>>>>> if (cpu_feature_enabled(X86_FEATURE_LKGS)) >>>>>> native_lkgs(selector); >>>>>> >>>>>> then back in x86_fsgsbase_load() we do: >>>>>> >>>>>> __wrgsbase_inactive(next->gsbase); >>>>>> >>>>>> which does >>>>>> >>>>>> wrmsrq(MSR_KERNEL_GS_BASE, gsbase); >>>>>> >>>>>> on FRED. >>>>>> >>>>>> But LKGS already wrote MSR_KERNEL_GS_BASE... >>>>>> >>>>>>> Logically the sequence should be LKGS first, if needed; then WRMSR(NS). LKGS >>>>>>> can be replaced with swapgs/mov gs/swapgs on legacy. >>>>>> Right. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think avoiding that second WRMSR(MSR_KERNEL_GS_BASE) should give some perf >>>>>> back... >>>>>> >>>>>> Although, I need to think how to make it pretty... >>>>>> >>>>> Should be doing wrmsrns... >>>> No, I think that second WRMSR* should not happen at all if we have executed >>>> LKGS which has already written MSR_KERNEL_GS_BASE, right? >>>> >>>> >>> You can't do that (at least not without further checks) if user space has WRGSBASE enabled, since you have no guarantee that the active GS.base is consistent with GS.selector. >>> >>> Since GS > 3 is pretty rare in 64-bit code at least, it doesn't seem to be a code path that needs to be that heavily optimized. >> I think you're slightly talking past each other, and I also made a >> mistake on the original reply, so lets try rephrasing it. >> >> LGKS only writes a zero-extended 32bit value into KERN_GS_BASE.  This is >> because there's only 32 bits of information in the GDT/LDT. >> >> So the real write into KERN_GS_BASE is still needed.  Sorry - you can't >> optimise this away.  Also, I'm pretty sure amluto did some x86 selftests >> covering this last time the logic was rewritten. >> >> >> As to WRMSR vs WRMSRNS, yes Intel CPUs want this to be WRMSRNS.  AMD >> don't have WRMSRNS but this particular MSR index is architecturally not >> architecturally serialising anyway. >> >> ~Andrew > It's not just a matter of it being a 32-bit base, it might not even be the correct one even so. Indeed, GS might be an LDT selector. ~Andrew