From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Spam Subject: Re: The argument for fs assistance in handling archives (was: silent semantic changes with reiser4) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 02:03:08 +0200 Message-ID: <32810200.20040903020308@tnonline.net> References: <20040826150202.GE5733@mail.shareable.org> <200408282314.i7SNErYv003270@localhost.localdomain> <20040901200806.GC31934@mail.shareable.org> <1094118362.4847.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20040902161130.GA24932@mail.shareable.org> <1835526621.20040903014915@tnonline.net> <1094165736.6170.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Reply-To: Spam Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <1094165736.6170.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Alan Cox Cc: Paul Jakma , Jamie Lokier , Linus Torvalds , Horst von Brand , Adrian Bunk , Hans Reiser , viro@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk, Christoph Hellwig , linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Linux Kernel Mailing List , Alexander Lyamin aka FLX , ReiserFS List > On Gwe, 2004-09-03 at 00:49, Spam wrote: >> But can you actually do things with these files? Can you run >> applications or edit files directly, or is there need for temporary >> unzip first? > You always need that for zip files. Firstly because executables are > paged so you need an accessible random access copy of the bits. Secondly > because data may be paged, and also for seek performance. Yes, some archive types can't be partially unzipped either. But my point is that it wouldn't be transparent to the application/user in the same way. ~S From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S269412AbUICAQ4 (ORCPT ); Thu, 2 Sep 2004 20:16:56 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S269411AbUICAPU (ORCPT ); Thu, 2 Sep 2004 20:15:20 -0400 Received: from c002781a.fit.bostream.se ([217.215.235.8]:50838 "EHLO mail.tnonline.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S269430AbUICADZ (ORCPT ); Thu, 2 Sep 2004 20:03:25 -0400 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 02:03:08 +0200 From: Spam Reply-To: Spam X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <32810200.20040903020308@tnonline.net> To: Alan Cox CC: Paul Jakma , Jamie Lokier , Linus Torvalds , Horst von Brand , Adrian Bunk , Hans Reiser , , Christoph Hellwig , , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Alexander Lyamin aka FLX , ReiserFS List Subject: Re: The argument for fs assistance in handling archives (was: silent semantic changes with reiser4) In-Reply-To: <1094165736.6170.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20040826150202.GE5733@mail.shareable.org> <200408282314.i7SNErYv003270@localhost.localdomain> <20040901200806.GC31934@mail.shareable.org> <1094118362.4847.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20040902161130.GA24932@mail.shareable.org> <1835526621.20040903014915@tnonline.net> <1094165736.6170.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > On Gwe, 2004-09-03 at 00:49, Spam wrote: >> But can you actually do things with these files? Can you run >> applications or edit files directly, or is there need for temporary >> unzip first? > You always need that for zip files. Firstly because executables are > paged so you need an accessible random access copy of the bits. Secondly > because data may be paged, and also for seek performance. Yes, some archive types can't be partially unzipped either. But my point is that it wouldn't be transparent to the application/user in the same way. ~S