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From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, "H.J. Lu" <hjl.tools@gmail.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Richard Kuo <rkuo@codeaurora.org>,
	Mark Salter <msalter@redhat.com>, Jonas Bonn <jonas@southpole.se>,
	Tobias Klauser <tklauser@distanz.ch>
Subject: Re: RFD: x32 ABI system call numbers
Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2011 17:17:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3546423.kFMPx0aPCi@wuerfel> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E62638E.40308@zytor.com>

On Saturday 03 September 2011 10:27:42 H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> On 09/03/2011 10:16 AM, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
> >>
> >> The complexity of changing that would be enormous.
> >
> > Oh, I know changing the x86-32 ABI is impossible - I meant changing the
> > decision to emulate that ABI (as opposed to emulating the x86-64 ABI, or a
> > variant thereof, or something else).  Or are we already commited to that
> > route, even if we're still trying to figure out what syscalls to include?
> >
> 
> About ioctl in particular, the ABI has dependencies into almost every 
> single driver in the Linux kernel.  It is hard-coded in the kernel that 
> there are two paths -- native and compat.  Since pointers are going to 
> be 4 bytes, it means we have to use the compat path.
> 
> We may be able to cheat a little bit since we encode the argument sizes 
> in the ioctl numbers; this solves the case of PPGETTIME/PPSETTIME for 
> example (in fact, this ioctl looks currently broken in compat mode!) 
> However, at some point the sheer number of data types that can be 
> consumed by ioctl is a real concern, so changing the ones we really care 
> about -- like timespec/timeval -- while leaving the rest intact so we 
> can use the compat path as a general rule would be highly useful.

The ppdev ioctls are indeed missing in user space, and they are
an example for a different problem than the one I meant.

We really have a number of different cases that we will have to
deal with in different ways:

* different layout and ioctl code due to padding on x86-32,
  x32 is compatible:
  DRM_IOCTL_RADEON_SETPARAM
  DRM_IOCTL_UPDATE_DRAW32
  EXT4_IOC32_GROUP_ADD

* different layout due to padding on x86-32, but same ioctl code:
  RAW_SETBIND
  RAW_GETBIND

* uses time_t, different ioctl code:
  PPPIOCGIDLE32
  VIDIOC_DQBUF32
  VIDIOC_QBUF32
  VIDIOC_QUERYBUF32
  VIDIOC_DQEVENT32

* uses time_t, same ioctl code:
  VIDEO_GET_EVENT
  LPSETTIMEOUT

* Different alignment, three different ioctl numbers:
  FS_IOC_RESVSP_32
  FS_IOC_RESVSP64_32

* manually checks if compat_task:
  input/evdev

* Very complex, no easy solution:
  XFS_IOC_*

* Only needed for x86-32, not for x32:
  sys_quotactl

* Data structures embed time values, not an ioctl
  sys_sendmsg (cmsg)
  sys_recvmsg (cmsg)
  sys_mq_*
  sys_semtimedop

For a lot of these cases, the best option is to change the
kernel headers to use new definitions on x32 before someone
tries to ship a distro, especially when the ioctl command code
is fixed. In case of the XFS ioctls, I think the only sane
way is define the x32 ABI to match the 64 bit ABI completely,
while for RAW_GETBIND and VIDEO_GET_EVENT it's probably enough
to make x32 match x86-32.

	Arnd

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-09-04 15:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-08-26 23:00 RFD: x32 ABI system call numbers H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-26 23:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-26 23:39   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-27  0:36     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-27  0:43       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-27  0:53         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-27  1:18           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-27  1:35             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-27  1:45               ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-27  1:12         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-27  1:42           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-29 19:01             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2011-08-29 19:03               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-30  1:17               ` Ted Ts'o
2011-08-30  1:48               ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-30  2:16                 ` Kyle Moffett
2011-08-30  4:45                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-30  7:06                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2011-08-30 12:18                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-08-30  7:09                   ` Andi Kleen
2011-08-30  9:56                     ` Alan Cox
2011-08-30  7:00                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2011-09-20 18:37                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2011-09-06 20:40         ` Florian Weimer
2011-08-27  0:57       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-27  4:40         ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-08-29 15:04           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-08-29 18:31             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-30 12:09               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-08-30 16:35                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-31 16:14                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-08-31 16:25                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-31 16:39                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-08-31 16:48                         ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-31 19:18                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-08-31 19:44                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-31 19:54                               ` Alan Cox
2011-08-31 20:02                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-31 20:55                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-08-31 20:58                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-31 19:49                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2011-08-31 16:46                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-31 17:05                       ` H.J. Lu
2011-09-03  2:56                         ` H.J. Lu
2011-09-03  3:04                           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-09-03  4:02                             ` H.J. Lu
2011-09-03  4:29                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-09-03  4:44                                 ` H.J. Lu
2011-09-03  5:16                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-09-03 14:11                                     ` H.J. Lu
2011-09-03  5:29                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-09-03  8:41                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-09-03 14:04                                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-09-03 16:40                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-09-03 17:16                                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-09-03 17:22                                             ` H.J. Lu
2011-09-03 17:28                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-09-03 17:27                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-09-04 13:51                                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-09-04 15:17                                               ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2011-09-04 17:08                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-09-04 18:40                                                 ` H.J. Lu
2011-09-04 19:06                                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-09-04 19:31                                                     ` H.J. Lu
2011-09-04 21:13                                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-09-04 21:25                                                         ` H.J. Lu
2011-09-04 21:41                                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-09-04 22:13                                                             ` H.J. Lu
2011-09-05  7:48                                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-09-05 15:11                                                                 ` H.J. Lu
2011-09-05 17:21                                                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-09-05 19:34                                                                     ` H.J. Lu
2011-09-05 19:54                                                                       ` H.J. Lu
2011-09-05 19:59                                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-09-05 20:27                                                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-09-09 21:02                                                                   ` H.J. Lu
2011-09-04 20:11                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-09-04 19:31                                                   ` richard -rw- weinberger
2011-09-04 19:32                                                     ` H.J. Lu
2011-09-03 14:15                                     ` H.J. Lu
2011-08-31 17:09                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-31 17:19                         ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-31 17:38                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-09-01 11:35                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-10-01 19:38                               ` Jonas Bonn
2012-02-08 21:36                           ` 64-bit time on 32-bit systems H. Peter Anvin
2011-09-01 13:30                         ` RFD: x32 ABI system call numbers Avi Kivity
2011-09-01 14:13                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-09-02  0:49                             ` Pedro Alves
2011-09-02  1:51                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-09-02  8:02                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-09-02  8:42                                 ` Pedro Alves
2011-09-01  6:08                     ` Jonas Bonn
2011-09-02  6:17     ` Andy Lutomirski

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