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From: Chris Mason <mason@suse.com>
To: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>, Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>
Cc: Daniel Phillips <phillips@bonn-fries.net>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	Josh MacDonald <jmacd@CS.Berkeley.EDU>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, reiserfs-list@namesys.com,
	reiserfs-dev@namesys.com
Subject: Re: [reiserfs-dev] Re: Note describing poor dcache utilization under high memory pressure
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:50:17 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3567610000.1012315817@tiny> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3C567D93.7030602@namesys.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0201281927320.6592-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu> <3C567D93.7030602@namesys.com>



On Tuesday, January 29, 2002 01:46:43 PM +0300 Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com> wrote:

> Alexander Viro wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Hans Reiser wrote:
>> 
>>> This fails to recover an object (e.g. dcache entry) which is used once, 
>>> and then spends a year in cache on the same page as an object which is 
>>> hot all the time.  This means that the hot set of objects becomes 
>>> diffused over an order of magnitude more pages than if garbage 
>>> collection squeezes them all together.  That makes for very poor caching.
>>> 
>> 
>> Any GC that is going to move active dentries around is out of question.
>> It would need a locking of such strength that you would be the first
>> to cry bloody murder - about 5 seconds after you look at the scalability
>> benchmarks.
>> 
>> 
> 
> I don't mean to suggest that the dentry cache locking is an easy problem to solve, but the problem discussed is a real one, and it is sufficient to illustrate that the unified cache is fundamentally flawed as an algorithm compared to using subcache plugins.

It isn't just dentries.  If a subcache object is in use, it can't be moved
to a warmer page without invalidating all existing pointers to it.

If it isn't in use, it can be migrated when the VM asks for the page to
be flushed.

-chris


  reply	other threads:[~2002-01-29 14:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-01-28 17:13 Note describing poor dcache utilization under high memory pressure Josh MacDonald
2002-01-28 17:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-28 18:01   ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-28 18:21     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-28 18:37       ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-28 19:28         ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-01-28 20:01       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-28 21:33         ` Rick Stevens
2002-01-28 21:43           ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-28 22:00             ` Rick Stevens
2002-01-28 22:43               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-28 23:06                 ` Rick Stevens
2002-01-28 23:51                   ` [OT] " jepler
2002-01-29  2:30                     ` IPmonger
2002-01-29 12:02                       ` Karl & Betty Schendel
2002-01-28 22:26             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-28 22:34           ` Brian Gerst
2002-01-28 23:08             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-28 22:39           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-28 23:12             ` Rick Stevens
2002-01-28 23:27               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-28 22:01         ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-28 22:19           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29  1:29         ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-29  1:37           ` [reiserfs-list] " Valdis.Kletnieks
2002-01-29  1:45           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29  8:39           ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-29  8:55             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29  9:20               ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-01-29  9:55                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 10:18                 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-29 19:55                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-01-29 20:08                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 20:39                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-01-29 20:49                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 21:01                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-01-29  9:20               ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-29 10:27                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 11:54                 ` Helge Hafting
2002-01-29 12:33                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30  9:07                     ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-30 10:55                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 14:46                         ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30 14:59                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 15:54                             ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30 16:34                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 10:59           ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-29 11:28             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 11:38               ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-29 12:01                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 16:57             ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-29 17:25               ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-29 20:48                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 21:00                   ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-29 21:08                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 21:13                       ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-29 21:50                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 22:02                           ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-29 22:10                             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 22:53                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 22:53                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 23:02                       ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-29 23:21                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-28 19:25   ` [reiserfs-dev] " Hans Reiser
2002-01-28 23:52     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29  0:16       ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-29  0:30         ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-29 10:46           ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-29 14:50             ` Chris Mason [this message]
2002-01-29 21:10               ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-30  7:11                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-30  9:57                   ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-29 17:28           ` Josh MacDonald
2002-01-29 18:44             ` [reiserfs-list] " Andreas Dilger
2002-01-29 19:55               ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-30  7:17                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-30  7:32                   ` [reiserfs-list] Re: [reiserfs-dev] Re: Note describing poordcache " Andrew Morton
2002-01-30  7:52                     ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-30 10:03                     ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-30 10:07             ` [reiserfs-dev] Re: Note describing poor dcache " Horst von Brand
2002-01-29 18:29           ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-29  0:51         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29  1:32           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-28 22:46   ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-01-29 17:27   ` Josh MacDonald

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