From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA76838 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 21:21:43 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id VAA63302 for linux-list; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 21:20:48 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA47210 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 21:20:45 -0800 (PST) mail_from (mwfolsom@aptec.com) Received: from ataserver.aptec.com (ataserver.aptec.com [192.160.144.1]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via SMTP id VAA05339 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 21:20:43 -0800 (PST) mail_from (mwfolsom@aptec.com) Received: from aptec.com (192.160.144.50) by ataserver.aptec.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 22:22:31 -0700 Message-ID: <36B3E819.CF8BF4BE@aptec.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 22:20:25 -0700 From: "Michael W. Folsom" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP20) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com" Subject: More on THE Press Release! Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------A2AC5BEAC94EC6AEB5BE712B" Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A2AC5BEAC94EC6AEB5BE712B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks: At the risk of beating a dead horse - It strikes me that the most interesting parts of the press release at: http://www.sgi.com/newsroom/press_releases/1999/january/servers.html is what it doesn't say! Chiefly I find no mention of porting Irix to Intel chips and abandoning MIPS chips. I seem to remember mention of that somewhere else. Prehaps they are seeing the writing on the wall that the much touted Merced chip ain't going to be all its been cracked up to be and have decided to keep their options open. If this turns out to be true I see the makings of a real plan to lift and separate the old SGI that many of us know and love from its present malaze. What the Jan, 99 press release on servers said to me was that they were going to be a serious player in the Intel marketplace and run NT for the dull and unimaginative while using Linux as their default Unix OS to show people what these platforms can really do. For them this is a win-win situation, they get the sales associated with both NT and Linux while saving many development $'s along the way. Meanwhile the heavy iron is and will continue to be MIPS running Irix. If my guessing is correct one wonders what Microsoft and Intel will think? Later - Michael Dave Olson wrote: > > Robbie Stone wrote: > | Yeah, I figured there wasn't one, SGI just wouldn't do that, but if you > | goto www.sgi.com/software/irix6.5/ the picture at the > | bottom(irix_chart.gif) sort of implies to me that the Onyx2's and Origins > | will be running IRIX-IA64, now maybe I am misunderstanding this chart, but > | if I am, then other people might, and you know how news articles come out, > | I believe that the SGI/HP Cnet article recently at the last paragraph > | referred to Linux as a language. > > IA64 != x86 > > x86 == IA32 > > My earlier response, to be crystal clear, was about IA32. Surprisingly > to me, some of the folks on this list hadn't heard the IA32 vs IA64 > names, and I had assumed that since they had been in fairly common > use for 18 months that just about everybody would have known... > > Sorry for the confusion. > > The statements on the www.sgi.com web pages about IRIX and IA64 > are still correct, so far as I can tell from reading the recent press > release. Obviously I don't make policy, so I'm going by the same > public data that you are. > > As far as the comments about http://www.sgi.com/vision/tech.html > now being out of date, yes, they seem to be, and they'll likely be updated > in the next week or so. --------------A2AC5BEAC94EC6AEB5BE712B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from sgi.com (192.48.153.1) by ataserver.aptec.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 12:28:18 -0700 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id LAA05848; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:25:47 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA42901 for linux-list; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:23:15 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from anchor.engr.sgi.com (anchor.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.42]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA41258; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:23:12 -0800 (PST) mail_from (olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from olson@localhost) by anchor.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA49222; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:23:10 -0800 (PST) From: olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com (Dave Olson) Message-Id: <199901301923.LAA49222@anchor.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Press Release: Silicon Graphics Outlines Expanded Server Strategy to Grow Market Leadership into New Areas In-Reply-To: from Robbie Stone at "Jan 30, 99 06:35:55 am" To: rstone@vitelus.com (Robbie Stone) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:23:10 -0800 (PST) Cc: eak@detroit.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, mdlug@collie.net Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mt. View, CA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Robbie Stone wrote: | Yeah, I figured there wasn't one, SGI just wouldn't do that, but if you | goto www.sgi.com/software/irix6.5/ the picture at the | bottom(irix_chart.gif) sort of implies to me that the Onyx2's and Origins | will be running IRIX-IA64, now maybe I am misunderstanding this chart, but | if I am, then other people might, and you know how news articles come out, | I believe that the SGI/HP Cnet article recently at the last paragraph | referred to Linux as a language. IA64 != x86 x86 == IA32 My earlier response, to be crystal clear, was about IA32. Surprisingly to me, some of the folks on this list hadn't heard the IA32 vs IA64 names, and I had assumed that since they had been in fairly common use for 18 months that just about everybody would have known... Sorry for the confusion. The statements on the www.sgi.com web pages about IRIX and IA64 are still correct, so far as I can tell from reading the recent press release. Obviously I don't make policy, so I'm going by the same public data that you are. As far as the comments about http://www.sgi.com/vision/tech.html now being out of date, yes, they seem to be, and they'll likely be updated in the next week or so. --------------A2AC5BEAC94EC6AEB5BE712B-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Message-ID: <36B3E819.CF8BF4BE@aptec.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 22:20:25 -0700 From: "Michael W. Folsom" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: More on THE Press Release! Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------A2AC5BEAC94EC6AEB5BE712B" Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com To: "linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com" Message-ID: <19990131052025.36140WUPfwEIpBpFGGbjgMNUmx3cFNua9PleQQijxlA@z> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A2AC5BEAC94EC6AEB5BE712B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks: At the risk of beating a dead horse - It strikes me that the most interesting parts of the press release at: http://www.sgi.com/newsroom/press_releases/1999/january/servers.html is what it doesn't say! Chiefly I find no mention of porting Irix to Intel chips and abandoning MIPS chips. I seem to remember mention of that somewhere else. Prehaps they are seeing the writing on the wall that the much touted Merced chip ain't going to be all its been cracked up to be and have decided to keep their options open. If this turns out to be true I see the makings of a real plan to lift and separate the old SGI that many of us know and love from its present malaze. What the Jan, 99 press release on servers said to me was that they were going to be a serious player in the Intel marketplace and run NT for the dull and unimaginative while using Linux as their default Unix OS to show people what these platforms can really do. For them this is a win-win situation, they get the sales associated with both NT and Linux while saving many development $'s along the way. Meanwhile the heavy iron is and will continue to be MIPS running Irix. If my guessing is correct one wonders what Microsoft and Intel will think? Later - Michael Dave Olson wrote: > > Robbie Stone wrote: > | Yeah, I figured there wasn't one, SGI just wouldn't do that, but if you > | goto www.sgi.com/software/irix6.5/ the picture at the > | bottom(irix_chart.gif) sort of implies to me that the Onyx2's and Origins > | will be running IRIX-IA64, now maybe I am misunderstanding this chart, but > | if I am, then other people might, and you know how news articles come out, > | I believe that the SGI/HP Cnet article recently at the last paragraph > | referred to Linux as a language. > > IA64 != x86 > > x86 == IA32 > > My earlier response, to be crystal clear, was about IA32. Surprisingly > to me, some of the folks on this list hadn't heard the IA32 vs IA64 > names, and I had assumed that since they had been in fairly common > use for 18 months that just about everybody would have known... > > Sorry for the confusion. > > The statements on the www.sgi.com web pages about IRIX and IA64 > are still correct, so far as I can tell from reading the recent press > release. Obviously I don't make policy, so I'm going by the same > public data that you are. > > As far as the comments about http://www.sgi.com/vision/tech.html > now being out of date, yes, they seem to be, and they'll likely be updated > in the next week or so. --------------A2AC5BEAC94EC6AEB5BE712B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from sgi.com (192.48.153.1) by ataserver.aptec.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 12:28:18 -0700 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id LAA05848; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:25:47 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA42901 for linux-list; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:23:15 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from anchor.engr.sgi.com (anchor.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.42]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA41258; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:23:12 -0800 (PST) mail_from (olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from olson@localhost) by anchor.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA49222; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:23:10 -0800 (PST) From: olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com (Dave Olson) Message-Id: <199901301923.LAA49222@anchor.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Press Release: Silicon Graphics Outlines Expanded Server Strategy to Grow Market Leadership into New Areas In-Reply-To: from Robbie Stone at "Jan 30, 99 06:35:55 am" To: rstone@vitelus.com (Robbie Stone) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:23:10 -0800 (PST) Cc: eak@detroit.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, mdlug@collie.net Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mt. View, CA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Robbie Stone wrote: | Yeah, I figured there wasn't one, SGI just wouldn't do that, but if you | goto www.sgi.com/software/irix6.5/ the picture at the | bottom(irix_chart.gif) sort of implies to me that the Onyx2's and Origins | will be running IRIX-IA64, now maybe I am misunderstanding this chart, but | if I am, then other people might, and you know how news articles come out, | I believe that the SGI/HP Cnet article recently at the last paragraph | referred to Linux as a language. IA64 != x86 x86 == IA32 My earlier response, to be crystal clear, was about IA32. Surprisingly to me, some of the folks on this list hadn't heard the IA32 vs IA64 names, and I had assumed that since they had been in fairly common use for 18 months that just about everybody would have known... Sorry for the confusion. The statements on the www.sgi.com web pages about IRIX and IA64 are still correct, so far as I can tell from reading the recent press release. Obviously I don't make policy, so I'm going by the same public data that you are. As far as the comments about http://www.sgi.com/vision/tech.html now being out of date, yes, they seem to be, and they'll likely be updated in the next week or so. --------------A2AC5BEAC94EC6AEB5BE712B--