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From: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>
To: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	karahmed@amazon.de, x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com, peterz@infradead.org,
	pbonzini@redhat.com, ak@linux.intel.com,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, gregkh@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86/cpuid: Fix up "virtual" IBRS/IBPB/STIBP feature bits on Intel
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 06:01:43 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <37c4e2a7-6e35-d736-dfaf-83fbe4895401@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180130131122.s3bs6lbs43go73gj@pd.tnic>

On 1/30/2018 5:11 AM, Borislav Petkov wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 01:57:21PM +0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
>> So much for the theory. That's not going to work. If the boot cpu has the
>> feature then the alternatives will have been applied. So even if the flag
>> mismatch can be observed when a secondary CPU comes up the outcome will be
>> access to a non existing MSR and #GP.
> 
> Yes, with mismatched microcode we're f*cked.

I think in the super early days of SMP there was an occasional broken BIOS.
(and when Linux then did the ucode update it was sane again)

Not since a long time though (I think the various certification suites check for it now)

> 
> So my question is: is there such microcode out there or is this
> something theoretical which we want to address?

at this point it's insane theoretical; no OS can actually cope with this, so
if you're an OEM selling this, your customer can run zero OSes ;-)


> 
> (.. and adressing this will be ugly, no matter what.)
> 
> And if I were able to wish, I'd like to blacklist that microcode in
> dracut so that it doesn't come anywhere near my system.

I'm not sure what you'd want dracut to do... panic() the system
on such a bios?

  reply	other threads:[~2018-01-30 14:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-29 23:49 [PATCH] x86/cpuid: Fix up "virtual" IBRS/IBPB/STIBP feature bits on Intel David Woodhouse
2018-01-30 10:37 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-30 10:58 ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-30 11:03   ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-30 11:18     ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-30 11:28       ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-30 11:37         ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-30 12:09           ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-30 12:57             ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-30 13:11               ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-30 14:01                 ` Arjan van de Ven [this message]
2018-01-30 14:54                   ` Alan Cox
2018-01-30 14:57                     ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-30 18:19                 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh

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