From: Abramo Bagnara <abramo@alsa-project.org>
To: Gérard Roudier <groudier@club-internet.fr>
Cc: Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [2*PATCH] alpha I/O access and mb()
Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 12:32:32 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3A32184F.547E7F8B@alsa-project.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10012091050550.819-100000@linux.local>
Gérard Roudier wrote:
>
>
> Based on that, let me claim that most of blind barriers inserted this way
> are useless (thus sob-optimal) and may band-aid useful barriers that are
> missing. The result is subtle bugs, hidden most of the time, that we will
> have to suffer for decades.
>
> The only way to do things right regarding ordering it to have device
> drivers _aware_ of such issues. Now, if we are happy with broken portable
> or platform-independant drivers that rely on broken hidden ordering
> alchemy rather than on correctness, then it is another story.
I see perfectly your point and this is the reason why we have
__raw_write[bwlq] in 2.4, but write[bwlq] expected semantic is to ensure
that write *happens* and are visible by other agents.
You can tell me that almost nobody uses __raw_write now and this is bad
and I agree with you, but sometime this is not a perfect world ;-)
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It sounds good!
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2000-12-09 12:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2000-12-09 8:43 [2*PATCH] alpha I/O access and mb() Abramo Bagnara
2000-12-09 10:12 ` Gérard Roudier
2000-12-09 11:32 ` Abramo Bagnara [this message]
2000-12-09 13:46 ` Gérard Roudier
2000-12-10 0:10 ` Richard Henderson
2000-12-10 9:40 ` Abramo Bagnara
2000-12-10 18:44 ` Richard Henderson
2000-12-10 19:04 ` Abramo Bagnara
2000-12-10 20:49 ` Richard Henderson
2000-12-10 21:23 ` Abramo Bagnara
2000-12-11 0:19 ` Richard Henderson
2000-12-11 8:00 ` Abramo Bagnara
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