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From: Casey Schaufler <casey@sgi.com>
To: Stephen Smalley <sds@tislabs.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@ns.caldera.de>,
	selinux@tycho.nsa.gov, linux-privs-discuss@sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Linux-privs-discuss] SELinux & Linux-privs projects
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:35:55 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3A5DEEFB.6C988852@sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Pine.SOL.3.95.1010111111746.23465T-100000@clipper.gw.tislabs.com

Stephen Smalley wrote:

> The POSIX.1e MAC tightly couples policy and enforcement because
> it is designed for a particular kind of security policy.
> It assumes a certain kind of security label.

I don't know who told you that, but it certainly wasn't
anyone who worked on the standard. The 1e MAC specification
is explicitly devoid of any such assumptions. That's one
reason there's no specification on Moldy directories, for
example.

> It assumes hierarchical relationships among labels.

It assumes that there are two relationships, equality
and dominance, between labels. I can easily show labeling
schemes which are cyclic, but which can be represented
in terms of these relationships.

> It assumes that it is
> sufficient to treat all operations as being read, write, or execute.

That's because those are the only operations POSIX systems
support! It's implicit in being a POSIX (DRAFT) standard.

> In order to support Type Enforcement or Role-Based Access
> Control or other kinds of mandatory security, you are very likely
> to need to change or at least recompile the file system code,
> the networking code, etc.

Yes, and?

-- 

Casey Schaufler				Manager, Trust Technology, SGI
casey@sgi.com				voice: 650.933.1634
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  reply	other threads:[~2001-01-11 17:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-01-11 14:44 SELinux & Linux-privs projects Jeffry Smith
2001-01-11 15:20 ` Stephen Smalley
2001-01-11 16:41   ` Huagang Xie
2001-01-11 16:46     ` [Linux-privs-discuss] " Christoph Hellwig
2001-01-11 15:45 ` [Linux-privs-discuss] " Christoph Hellwig
2001-01-11 16:04   ` Stephen Smalley
2001-01-11 16:16     ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-01-11 16:48       ` Stephen Smalley
2001-01-11 17:35         ` Casey Schaufler [this message]
2001-01-11 18:31           ` Stephen Smalley
2001-01-11 18:56             ` (offtopic) " Andrew Morgan
2001-01-11 18:59             ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-01-11 20:54               ` Stephen Smalley
2001-01-12  0:25             ` [Linux-privs-discuss] " Casey Schaufler
2001-01-11 16:59       ` Stephen Smalley
2001-01-23 16:13         ` Robert Watson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-01-11 23:10 Jesse Pollard
2001-01-12 21:31 ` LA Walsh
2001-01-12 23:02 Jesse Pollard
2001-01-12 23:36 ` LA Walsh
     [not found] <01011220390900.30390@tabby>
2001-01-16 20:15 ` LA Walsh
2001-01-16 22:00 Jesse Pollard
2001-01-17  0:30 ` LA Walsh
2001-01-17 15:22 Jesse Pollard

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