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From: Douglas Gilbert <dougg@torque.net>
To: Michael Meissner <meissner@spectacle-pond.org>
Cc: "J . A . Magallon" <jamagallon@able.es>,
	"'linux-scsi @ vger . kernel . org'" <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	"'linux-kernel @ vger . kernel . org'"
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Linux not adhering to BIOS Drive boot order?
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:41:18 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3A65E74E.DE10848E@torque.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1355693A51C0D211B55A00105ACCFE64E95191@ATL_MS1> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101161154580.17397-100000@sol.compendium-tech.com> <20010116153757.A1609@munchkin.spectacle-pond.org> <20010117003205.A711@werewolf.able.es> <20010116194210.C1609@munchkin.spectacle-pond.org>

Michael Meissner wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 12:32:05AM +0100, J . A . Magallon wrote:
> > If that is your idea of the average user... You're a system administrator,
> > you can have tons of scsi cards in your system if you want.
> >
> > You want to make things SOOO easy for a 'dummy' user, and that user will never
> > use them. The average user you are targetting says: 'daddy, buy me a PC to
> > run Quake and do my school jobs' or 'please, dear vendor, I want a PC to
> > do my housekeeping'. I have seen so many cases (A buys PC, A tries to run
> > brand new racing game that does not work, A goes shop and says: don't know
> > what's wrong with this PC, look at it and call me when MyCarRacingGame
> > works...).
> 
> I also don't want things so complex for the people who need to do complex
> things, that they give up in frustration with Linux and use something else like
> *BSD, particularly when things are changed from the previous way they were done
> in Linux.  I agree things should be simple for simple configurations, but that
> does not mean we should be throwing boat anchors and couches in the paths of
> people who have more complex hardware.
> 
> > Average users you are targetting with that automagical
> > card detection even do not know there are SCSI and IDE disks. They just
> > want a 30Gb ide disk to install linux and play. If they involve with SCSI
> > and ID numbers and multiple cards and so on they can read some docs and
> > rebuild a kernel.
> 
> Ummm, I just reread the 2.4 Changes file once again just to be sure, and it did
> not cover this issue.  So how the *$@% are people supposed to "read some docs"
> to know about this, if the docs don't mention the information.  I know people
> have been complaining about this change since at least the fall time frame.

There has been some movement on the SCSI subsystem
documentation front:

 http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/SCSI-2.4-HOWTO/

Doug Gilbert
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-01-17 18:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-01-16 16:43 Linux not adhering to BIOS Drive boot order? Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 20:01 ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-01-16 20:37   ` Michael Meissner
2001-01-16 21:01     ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-16 21:23       ` Michael Meissner
2001-01-16 23:32     ` J . A . Magallon
2001-01-17  0:05       ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-01-17  0:42       ` Michael Meissner
2001-01-17  2:14         ` Peter Samuelson
2001-01-17 17:22           ` Michael Meissner
2001-01-17 18:41         ` Douglas Gilbert [this message]
2001-01-17  9:45       ` Ishikawa
2001-01-17 15:45         ` J . A . Magallon
2001-01-16 23:51     ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-01-17 19:22   ` Werner Almesberger
2001-01-17 20:32     ` Matti Aarnio
2001-01-17 20:46       ` Werner Almesberger
2001-01-17 21:26     ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-01-18 16:55 David Balazic
2001-01-18 19:49 ` Tim Fletcher
2001-01-18 16:36 Andries.Brouwer
2001-01-18 11:01 David Balazic
2001-01-18 11:35 ` Tim Fletcher
2001-01-18 13:01   ` Xavier Bestel
2001-01-18 14:03     ` Tim Fletcher
2001-01-17 11:04 David Balazic
2001-01-17 10:56 David Balazic
2001-01-17 10:48 David Balazic
2001-01-17 23:23 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-01-18 10:14   ` David Balazic
2001-01-17 10:21 David Balazic
2001-01-17 10:28 ` Boszormenyi Zoltan
2001-01-16 22:54 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 20:35 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 20:14 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 20:30 ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-01-16 21:18   ` Andreas Dilger
2001-01-17 15:33   ` Mike Porter
2001-01-17 16:16     ` James Bottomley
2001-01-17 17:07       ` Craig Ruff
2001-01-18 12:50       ` Peter Samuelson
2001-01-18 17:59         ` idalton
2001-01-18 18:14           ` Peter Samuelson
2001-01-18 20:53           ` Matti Aarnio
2001-01-18 22:55             ` David Weinehall
2001-01-16 17:39 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 17:58 ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-16 21:11   ` Andreas Dilger
2001-01-17  9:38     ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-17  9:55       ` Jeff Garzik
2001-01-17 10:19         ` Andreas Dilger
2001-01-17 10:02       ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-19  1:17         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-17 10:12       ` Andreas Dilger
2001-01-17 23:19         ` Russell King
2001-01-17 19:50 ` Werner Almesberger
2001-01-17 20:43   ` Andreas Dilger
2001-01-18  0:14     ` Tim Fletcher
2001-01-18  0:39       ` Andreas Dilger
2001-01-18  0:59         ` Tim Fletcher
2001-01-18  9:41         ` Helge Hafting
2001-01-16 17:30 Bryan Henderson
2001-01-16 17:04 David Balazic
     [not found] <Venkateshr@ami.com>
2001-01-16 16:56 ` Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 19:52   ` John Summerfield
2001-01-16 16:51 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 17:09 ` Honza Pazdziora
2001-01-16 16:46 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 16:35 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 17:04 ` Brian Gerst
2001-01-16 17:24   ` Eddie Williams
2001-01-16 18:22   ` Timur Tabi
2001-01-16 19:18     ` Matthew D. Pitts
2001-01-16 19:54     ` Christopher Friesen
2001-01-16 21:04     ` Timur Tabi
2001-01-16 22:51 ` Peter Samuelson
2001-01-16 16:31 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 16:53 ` Eddie Williams
2001-01-16 19:48 ` John Summerfield
2001-01-16 16:19 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 16:23 ` Florent Cueto
2001-01-16 16:31 ` Brian Gerst
2001-01-16 16:40 ` Dominik Kubla
2001-01-16 15:49 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 16:06 ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-16 16:27 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-01-16 16:40 ` Matthias Andree
2001-01-16 16:45 ` Douglas Gilbert
2001-01-16 17:38 ` Malahal Rao Naineni

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