From: Martin Dalecki <dalecki@evision-ventures.com>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@transmeta.com>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
Andries.Brouwer@cwi.nl, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
tytso@MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: Larger dev_t
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:09:53 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3AC25321.C99EDAC7@evision-ventures.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3AC1109A.8459E52@transmeta.com
"H. Peter Anvin" wrote:
>
> Alan Cox wrote:
> >
> > > Another example: all the stupid pseudo-SCSI drivers that got their own
> > > major numbers, and wanted their very own names in /dev. They are BAD for
> > > the user. Install-scripts etc used to be able to just test /dev/hd[a-d]
> > > and /dev/sd[0-x] and they'd get all the disks. Deficiencies in the SCSI
> >
> > Sorry here I have to disagree. This is _policy_ and does not belong in the
> > kernel. I can call them all /dev/hdfoo or /dev/disc/blah regardless of
> > major/minor encoding. If you dont mind kernel based policy then devfs
> > with /dev/disc already sorts this out nicely.
> >
> > IMHO more procfs crud is also not the answer. procfs is already poorly
> > managed with arbitary and semi-random namespace. Its a beautiful example of
> > why adhoc naming is as broken as random dev_t allocations. Maybe Al Viro's
> > per device file systems solve that.
> >
>
> In some ways, they make matters worse -- now you have to effectively keep
> a device list in /etc/fstab. Not exactly user friendly.
>
> devfs -- in the abstract -- really isn't that bad of an idea; after all,
Devfs is from a desing point of view the duplication for the bad /proc
design for devices. If you need a good design for general device
handling with names - network interfaces are the thing too look at.
mount() should be more like a select()... accept()!
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-03-28 21:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-03-27 9:29 Larger dev_t Andries.Brouwer
2001-03-27 18:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-27 19:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-03-27 19:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-27 21:21 ` Alan Cox
2001-03-27 21:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-27 22:02 ` Andre Hedrick
2001-03-27 23:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-28 21:23 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-28 21:40 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-03-28 21:44 ` Andre Hedrick
2001-03-27 22:16 ` Alan Cox
2001-03-27 22:16 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-03-27 22:43 ` Russell King
2001-03-28 16:59 ` Jeff Randall
2001-03-28 0:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-28 0:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-03-28 0:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-28 2:19 ` Alan Cox
2001-03-28 7:08 ` Andre Hedrick
2001-03-28 21:32 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-29 3:53 ` Alan Cox
2001-03-29 11:02 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-04-02 20:02 ` Alan Cox
2001-04-03 7:25 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-04-03 12:19 ` Alan Cox
2001-04-03 12:13 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-04-03 12:38 ` Alan Cox
2001-04-04 8:08 ` Rogier Wolff
2001-03-30 6:54 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-03-28 21:18 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-27 22:13 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-03-27 22:55 ` Dan Hollis
2001-03-27 22:58 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-03-27 23:42 ` Richard Gooch
2001-03-28 1:03 ` Paul Jakma
2001-03-28 1:35 ` Alexander Viro
2001-03-27 23:44 ` Andrew Pimlott
2001-03-28 0:28 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-03-28 3:58 ` Johan Kullstam
2001-03-28 4:23 ` Alexander Viro
2001-03-28 11:57 ` Jesse Pollard
2001-03-28 18:13 ` Oliver Neukum
2001-03-28 19:05 ` Jesse Pollard
2001-03-28 19:50 ` Oliver Neukum
2001-03-28 21:36 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-28 21:09 ` Martin Dalecki [this message]
2001-03-28 21:24 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-03-28 21:46 ` Alexander Viro
2001-03-28 20:54 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-28 11:52 ` Pjotr Kourzanoff
2001-03-28 12:11 ` Tim Jansen
2001-03-27 19:27 ` Albert D. Cahalan
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-04-03 14:48 Wayne.Brown
2001-04-03 15:34 ` Bart Trojanowski
2001-04-02 21:59 Andries.Brouwer
2001-04-02 20:17 Andries.Brouwer
2001-04-02 21:45 ` Alan Cox
2001-04-03 7:28 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-04-03 10:09 ` Ingo Oeser
2001-04-03 12:06 ` Alan Cox
2001-04-03 12:20 ` Ingo Oeser
2001-04-03 12:15 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-04-03 12:53 ` Alan Cox
2001-04-03 16:05 ` Richard Gooch
2001-04-03 16:34 ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-03 16:58 ` Richard Gooch
2001-04-03 16:54 ` Alan Cox
2001-04-03 17:02 ` Richard Gooch
2001-04-03 12:41 ` Alan Cox
2001-04-03 23:28 ` Tim Wright
2001-03-27 22:38 Jesse Pollard
2001-03-27 22:44 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-03-26 21:18 John Byrne
2001-03-26 22:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-26 23:41 ` Guest section DW
2001-03-25 12:31 Andries.Brouwer
2001-03-25 15:35 ` Wichert Akkerman
2001-03-25 16:15 ` Mitchell Blank Jr
2001-03-25 16:54 ` Michel Wilson
2001-03-25 17:12 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-03-25 17:00 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-03-25 17:07 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-03-25 17:37 ` Michel Wilson
2001-03-25 18:21 ` Guest section DW
2001-03-25 20:50 ` diego
2001-03-25 17:55 ` Gerry
2001-03-27 6:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-24 16:13 Andries.Brouwer
2001-03-24 14:25 Andries.Brouwer
2001-03-24 14:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-03-24 15:00 ` Alexander Viro
2001-03-25 14:22 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-25 3:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-25 14:35 ` Martin Dalecki
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