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From: Helge Hafting <helge.hafting@idb.hist.no>
To: Martin Knoblauch <Martin.Knoblauch@TeraPort.de>
Cc: "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: VM Requirement Document - v0.0
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:27:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3B3B14AB.DF020611@idb.hist.no> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3B399EF8.9BA76FA2@TeraPort.de>

Martin Knoblauch wrote:

> 
>  maybe more specific: If the hit-rate is low and the cache is already
> 70+% of the systems memory, the chances maybe slim that more cache is
> going to improve the hit-rate.
> 
Oh, but this is posible.  You can get into situations where
the (file cache) working set needs 80% or so of memory
to get a near-perfect hitrate, and where
using 70% of memory will trash madly due to the file access
pattern.  And this won't be a problem either, if
the working set of "other" (non-file) 
stuff is below 20% of memory.  The total size of
non-file stuff may be above 20% though, so something goes
into swap.

I definitely want the machine to work under such circumstances,
so an arbitrary limit of 70% won't work.

Preventing swap-trashing at all cost doesn't help if the
machine loose to io-trashing instead.  Performance will be
just as much down, although perhaps more satisfying because
people aren't that surprised if explicit file operations
take a long time.  They hate it when moving the mouse
or something cause a disk access even if their
apps runs faster. :-(

Helge Hafting

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-06-28 11:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-06-27  8:53 VM Requirement Document - v0.0 Martin Knoblauch
2001-06-27 18:13 ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-28  6:59   ` Martin Knoblauch
2001-06-28 11:27 ` Helge Hafting [this message]
2001-06-28 11:54   ` Martin Knoblauch
2001-06-28 12:02   ` Tobias Ringstrom
2001-06-28 12:31     ` Xavier Bestel
2001-06-28 13:05       ` Tobias Ringstrom
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-07-05 15:09 mike_phillips
     [not found] <fa.jprli0v.qlofoc@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.e66agbv.hn0u1v@ifi.uio.no>
2001-07-05  1:49   ` Dan Maas
2001-07-05 13:02     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-05 14:00       ` Xavier Bestel
2001-07-05 14:51         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-05 15:04         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-05 15:00           ` Xavier Bestel
2001-07-05 15:12             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-05 15:12           ` Alan Shutko
2001-07-06 19:09           ` Rik van Riel
2001-07-06 21:57             ` Daniel Phillips
     [not found]   ` <002501c104f4/mnt/sendme701a8c0@morph>
2001-07-09 12:17     ` Pavel Machek
2001-07-12 23:46       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-13 21:07         ` Pavel Machek
2001-07-04 16:08 mike_phillips
2001-06-28 12:20 mike_phillips
2001-06-28 12:30 ` Alan Cox
2001-06-28 13:33   ` Tobias Ringstrom
2001-06-28 13:37     ` Alan Cox
2001-06-28 14:04       ` Tobias Ringstrom
2001-06-28 14:14         ` Alan Cox
2001-06-28 14:52       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-28 14:39 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-28 15:21   ` Jonathan Morton
2001-06-28 16:02     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-28 18:01   ` Marco Colombo
2001-07-02 18:42     ` Rik van Riel
2001-07-03 10:33       ` Marco Colombo
2001-07-03 15:04         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-03 18:24           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-04  8:12           ` Ari Heitner
2001-07-04  9:41           ` Marco Colombo
2001-07-04 15:03             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-03 18:29       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-04  8:32         ` Marco Colombo
2001-07-04 14:44           ` Daniel Phillips
     [not found] <fa.oqkojpv.3hosb7@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.jpsks3v.1o2gag4@ifi.uio.no>
2001-06-27  0:43   ` Dan Maas
2001-06-27  0:45     ` Mike Castle
2001-06-27 10:50     ` Xavier Bestel
2001-06-26 19:58 Jason McMullan
2001-06-26 21:21 ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-26 21:29   ` Jason McMullan
2001-06-26 21:33   ` John Stoffel
2001-06-26 21:42     ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-26 22:21       ` Stefan Hoffmeister
2001-06-26 22:48         ` Jeffrey W. Baker
2001-06-27  0:18           ` Mike Castle
2001-06-28 13:07         ` John Fremlin
2001-06-27 13:36       ` Marco Colombo
2001-06-27  3:55     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-27 14:09     ` Pozsar Balazs
2001-06-28 22:47 ` John Fremlin
2001-06-28 22:47   ` John Fremlin
2001-06-30 15:37 ` Pavel Machek
2001-07-10 10:34 ` David Woodhouse

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