From: Pablo Alcaraz <pabloa@laotraesquina.com.ar>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
Jamie Lokier <lk@tantalophile.demon.co.uk>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries?
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 15:40:51 -0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3BC88AB3.2040707@laotraesquina.com.ar> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0110130956350.8707-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
Whatever will be the chosen solution, it would have to allow to
overwrite all the executables and libraries files (if we have enough
permissions).
Because:
- If I overwrite a shared library and then one running program crash, it
will be my fault (as system administrator) or mistake.. ;-)
- It is probable that one file library is updated within one more global
update, then probably I restart later the new demon or program. So if
the program crash I'll fix the problem eventually.
- The previous version of a file library that I am replacing can depend
on another file that the installer of the new version of the program
simply erases it. For example:
a.so depends of b.so
but
a_new_version.so does not depend of b.so.
When I or an installer install the new program version, me or the
installer erase b.so because the new version doesn't use it.
So, that it matters if a program can or can't access to the old version
of a.so if b.so was erased?
And eventually, if I decide to update a library, I would have to do it
(I suspect it would be the same case with executables files). It doesn't
the matter if the change implies a fault in a running program.
It can be that this serves so that a hacker can attack the system... or
I could hang a program when this is not my objective. Maybe a flag in
/proc/somewhere would be am useful thing:
- if it's 1, I can overwrite all the libraries and executables files (If
I've permission, etc.);
- if it's 0, I can not overwrite anything If it's in use.
I only want that everybody respect my right to do the wrong or stupid
thing. This is an system administrator right :-)
Pablo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-10-13 18:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-10-03 12:49 Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries? Jesse Pollard
2001-10-03 18:06 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-03 23:20 ` Rob Landley
2001-10-04 3:38 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-04 4:19 ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-04 6:15 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-04 8:21 ` CaT
2001-10-04 8:35 ` john slee
2001-10-04 8:45 ` CaT
2001-10-04 13:11 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-04 14:24 ` Kernel size Richard B. Johnson
2001-10-13 20:35 ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-10-04 8:30 ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries? Ville Herva
2001-10-04 9:46 ` Erik Andersen
2001-10-04 19:50 ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but no Kai Henningsen
2001-10-04 8:53 ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries? Andreas Schwab
2001-10-04 13:23 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-04 9:12 ` Bloatware (was Re: Security question: "Text file busy"...) VDA
2001-10-04 5:38 ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries? Linus Torvalds
2001-10-04 5:44 ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-04 5:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-04 15:01 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-04 15:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-04 16:02 ` Richard Gooch
2001-10-04 16:20 ` Andreas Schwab
2001-10-04 17:19 ` Richard Gooch
2001-10-04 16:11 ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-04 19:28 ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but no Kai Henningsen
2001-10-04 17:25 ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries? Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-13 14:53 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-13 17:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-13 18:18 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-13 18:40 ` Pablo Alcaraz [this message]
2001-10-13 19:05 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-13 18:54 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-13 19:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-13 19:46 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-13 21:43 ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-10-13 22:27 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-13 22:50 ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-10-15 11:24 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-13 22:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-14 6:49 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-14 8:17 ` Xavier Bestel
2001-10-14 15:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-14 18:49 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-15 11:43 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-13 22:41 ` Richard Gooch
2001-10-15 11:35 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-15 11:51 ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-15 12:29 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-13 22:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-14 12:57 ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but no Kai Henningsen
2001-10-14 21:43 ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries? Mark H. Wood
2001-10-04 5:53 ` Richard Gooch
2001-10-04 20:39 ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but Alan Cox
2001-10-05 16:30 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-05 16:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-05 17:35 ` Horst von Brand
2001-10-05 17:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-05 18:51 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-10-06 19:05 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-14 8:02 ` [RFC] "Text file busy" when overwriting libraries Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-14 12:08 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-14 20:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-15 1:44 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-15 2:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-15 10:11 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-15 11:54 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-15 11:57 ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-15 12:08 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-15 12:11 ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-04 6:50 ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries? George Greer
2001-10-04 12:54 ` John Levon
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-10-03 2:55 Rob Landley
2001-10-03 7:07 ` Alexander Viro
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