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From: Mika Liljeberg <Mika.Liljeberg@welho.com>
To: kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru
Cc: ak@muc.de, davem@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: TCP acking too fast
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 20:26:01 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3BC9CAA9.7378075B@welho.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200110141707.VAA06123@ms2.inr.ac.ru>

kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru wrote:
> 
> Hello!
> 
> > Not very hard at all. It could be done easily with a couple of extra
> > state variables.
> 
> Does current heuristics not work? :-)

Well, you should read the preceding messages to understand how we got
here.

Andi had some reservations and I tend to agree. The current heuristic
assumes specific TCP behaviour, which is left as an implementation issue
in specifications. Conclusion: it works if you're lucky.

But it's true I can't show you any data to the contrary, either. This is
not the issue that started this thread.

> > state variables. The following is a rough pseudo code (ignores
> > initialization of state variables):
> 
> You missed one crucial moment: stream may consist of remnants
> for long time or even forever. It is normal case. And rcv_mss is used
> not only and mostly not for ACKing, it is used in really important places
> (SWS avoidance et al), where specs propose to use your advertised MSS,
> which does not work at all when you talk over high MTU interfaces.

I don't think I missed that point.

> The approach (invented by Andi?) provided necessary robustness,
> checking for two segments in row and suppressing MSS drops below 536.
> Check for PSHless segments allows to detect really low mtu reliably.

When you say "reliably", you should recognize the underlying assumptions
as well.

> Alexey

Regards,

	MikaL

  reply	other threads:[~2001-10-14 17:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-14  0:23 TCP acking too fast Mika Liljeberg
2001-10-14  6:40 ` David S. Miller
2001-10-14  7:05   ` Mika Liljeberg
2001-10-14  7:47     ` David S. Miller
2001-10-14  7:51       ` Mika Liljeberg
2001-10-14  8:12         ` David S. Miller
2001-10-14  8:39           ` Mika Liljeberg
2001-10-14  9:03             ` David S. Miller
2001-10-14  9:15               ` Mika Liljeberg
2001-10-14  9:16                 ` David S. Miller
2001-10-14  9:25               ` Andi Kleen
2001-10-14  9:39                 ` David S. Miller
2001-10-14 11:30                   ` Andi Kleen
2001-10-14 11:49                     ` Mika Liljeberg
2001-10-14 14:05                       ` Andi Kleen
2001-10-14 14:26                         ` Mika Liljeberg
2001-10-14 16:12                           ` Andi Kleen
2001-10-14 16:55                             ` Mika Liljeberg
2001-10-14 17:07                               ` kuznet
2001-10-14 17:26                                 ` Mika Liljeberg [this message]
2001-10-14 17:35                                   ` kuznet
2001-10-14 17:56                                     ` Mika Liljeberg
2001-10-14 18:20                                       ` kuznet
2001-10-14 18:48                                         ` Mika Liljeberg
2001-10-14 19:12                                           ` kuznet
2001-10-14 19:32                                             ` Mika Liljeberg
2001-10-14 19:40                                               ` kuznet
2001-10-14 20:06                                                 ` Mika Liljeberg
2001-10-15 18:40                                                   ` kuznet
2001-10-15 19:15                                                     ` Mika Liljeberg
2001-10-15 19:38                                                       ` Mika Liljeberg
2001-10-14 13:14                     ` [PATCH] " Mika Liljeberg
2001-10-14 16:36                     ` kuznet
2001-10-14  7:50     ` David S. Miller
2001-10-14  7:53       ` Mika Liljeberg
2001-10-15 20:59 ` Bill Davidsen

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