From: Eli Carter <eli.carter@inet.com>
To: esr@thyrsus.com
Cc: Charles Cazabon <charlesc@discworld.dyndns.org>,
Linux Kernel List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
"Michael Lazarou (ETL)" <Michael.Lazarou@etl.ericsson.se>
Subject: Re: Aunt Tillie builds a kernel (was Re: ISA hardware discovery -- the elegant solution)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:29:46 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3C4331AA.505194BA@inet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020114125228.B14747@thyrsus.com> <E16QBwD-0002So-00@the-village.bc.nu> <20020114132618.G14747@thyrsus.com> <20020114125508.A3358@twoflower.internal.do> <20020114135412.D17522@thyrsus.com>
"Eric S. Raymond" wrote:
> Charles Cazabon <charlesc@discworld.dyndns.org>:
> > Yes, and yes. Aunt Tillie is running Linux because someone installed a
> > distribution for her.
>
> You don't know that. Maybe she installed it herself.
>From a box she bought at CompUSA (or equiv.). She is dependant upon the
distro maker for the service they provide to her... that's what she's
paying them for.
> > She is never going to need anything out of her kernel that her vendor-shipped
> > update kernels do not provide.
>
> *You can't know that.*
>
> And your belief that you *can* know it is a key part of the elitist
> developer psychology and implicit assumptions that keeps Linux mostly
> inaccessible to the Aunt Tillies of the world.
Then she needs a better distribution, or at least one that caters to her
needs.
If there isn't such a distribution for her, she is no longer "Aunt
Tillie", but has become "Aun7 71LL13" ;)
Ahem, sorry, couldn't resist. :) I'll be quiet now.
Eli
--------------------. Real Users find the one combination of bizarre
Eli Carter \ input values that shuts down the system for days.
eli.carter(a)inet.com `-------------------------------------------------
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-01-14 19:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-01-14 11:17 ISA hardware discovery -- the elegant solution Michael Lazarou (ETL)
2002-01-14 16:11 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 16:59 ` Eli Carter
2002-01-14 17:11 ` Wichert Akkerman
2002-01-14 17:52 ` Aunt Tillie builds a kernel (was Re: ISA hardware discovery -- the elegant solution) Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 18:34 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 18:26 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 18:55 ` Charles Cazabon
2002-01-14 13:32 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-14 18:54 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 14:28 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-14 22:34 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 23:02 ` Bruce Harada
2002-01-14 15:39 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-15 2:22 ` Bruce Harada
2002-01-15 13:27 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-15 0:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-15 12:29 ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-01-15 14:28 ` Bruce Harada
2002-01-15 17:04 ` Thomas Duffy
2002-01-15 18:19 ` Marco Colombo
2002-01-15 18:52 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-15 19:15 ` Manuel McLure
2002-01-15 19:28 ` Marco Colombo
2002-01-15 20:13 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-15 20:30 ` Manuel McLure
2002-01-15 20:41 ` arjanv
2002-01-15 20:56 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-15 21:27 ` Marco Colombo
2002-01-15 21:29 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-15 19:55 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-15 20:59 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-16 14:53 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-16 13:57 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-16 10:42 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-15 13:53 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-14 23:26 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-15 2:06 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-15 21:08 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-15 0:09 ` Mark Hahn
2002-01-15 9:14 ` Sean Hunter
2002-01-15 16:36 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-14 19:29 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-14 19:29 ` Eli Carter [this message]
2002-01-14 19:45 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-14 19:52 ` Charles Cazabon
2002-01-15 11:00 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-14 19:00 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 18:44 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 19:14 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 19:34 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-14 18:59 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-14 19:02 ` arjan
2002-01-14 19:50 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 13:01 ` gmack
2002-01-14 14:43 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-14 20:26 ` Charles Cazabon
2002-01-14 20:19 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 20:49 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-14 20:55 ` Brian Gerst
2002-01-14 21:21 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-15 11:40 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-14 20:30 ` Justin Carlson
2002-01-15 1:30 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-15 22:46 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-01-15 22:56 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-16 4:09 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 20:37 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-14 20:38 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 22:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-14 22:18 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-14 22:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-14 22:18 ` Reid Hekman
2002-01-14 23:30 ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-14 21:05 ` Hugh Dickins
2002-01-14 21:15 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 22:08 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 23:03 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 22:41 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 23:27 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-15 1:21 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-15 12:31 ` Marco Colombo
2002-01-15 22:17 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-01-15 23:22 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-16 10:49 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-15 11:53 ` T. A.
2002-01-15 13:53 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-14 19:28 ` Ben Collins
2002-01-14 22:41 ` Tom Gilbert
2002-01-14 18:38 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-14 18:53 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-14 20:50 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2002-01-15 19:34 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-15 21:38 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-01-15 23:44 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-16 14:33 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-01-16 13:05 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-16 15:27 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-15 10:05 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-14 18:33 ` ISA hardware discovery -- the elegant solution Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-14 23:02 ` Tom Gilbert
2002-01-14 18:58 ` Andrew Pimlott
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-01-14 21:08 Aunt Tillie builds a kernel (was Re: ISA hardware discovery -- the elegant solution) Dave Jones
[not found] <fa.fslncfv.r6o11i@ifi.uio.no>
[not found] ` <fa.hqe5uev.c60cjs@ifi.uio.no>
2002-01-15 13:00 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2002-01-15 13:57 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-15 14:02 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2002-01-16 10:56 ` Horst von Brand
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