From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-Id: <3C5AB7CF.5C96DDFB@bellsouth.net> From: Jeff Layton MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [lvm-devel] [ANNOUNCE] LVM reimplementationre ady for beta testing References: <3C59A3A4.71A869A8@bellsouth.net> <20020201102439.B15135@sistina.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-lvm-admin@sistina.com Errors-To: linux-lvm-admin@sistina.com Reply-To: linux-lvm@sistina.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Feb 1 09:43:02 2002 List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: linux-lvm@sistina.com "Heinz J . Mauelshagen" wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 03:05:56PM -0500, Jeff Layton wrote: > > (snip) > > > > > > > > >LVM2 may not seem that exciting initially, since the first release is > > > >just concentrating on reproducing LVM1 functionality. But a lot of > > > >the reason for this rewrite is to enable us to add in the new features > > > >that we want (such as a transaction based disk format). It's on this > > > >new feature list that we'll be mainly competing with EVMS. > > > > > > Why compete, come on over and help us :-) > > > > You guy man! > > > > I've worked with Kevin a few months ago on using EVMS > > to recover a filesystem ontop of LVM when a disk went > > south and we had no backups > > It is quite intersting how many people don't take backups even though > almost everybody claims to know that backups are crucial and some of them > know that they are still, even though they might have RAID in place. I was ordered by my management NOT to make backups or I would be fired (exact words). So, I didn't. I told everyone concerned that we HAD to have backups and follow corporate policy. Everyone said thank you and go away. So I did. > > > Well I guess it, but you didn't mention if you had success to recover. > > Was it quorum (we are implementing it with LVM2 BTW) which helped and have > you been lucky that at least a part of your LVs where sitting on other than the > gone disk? Otherwise you probably had your VG back but no usable data. Actually, we had partial success and got back most data. Then on a whim we tried the bad drive again, and BINGO it came back to life! I tried every trick I know to get that drive back and spoke with the vendor that agreed I did everything they knew how to do. Then another admin walked in, popped it back in the case and and it came back. I had the biggest egg on my face! Oh well, at least we got the data back. > > > > (I know, but I was told by the > > people in charge that backups were not needed - that's why > > I left). > > Probably a good choice to leave if they don't understand such basics > and you couldn't convince them. My manager at that time couldn't spell UNIX, doesn't have a college degree of any type and has never taken a single college course. My lead admin can only spell "Sun" even though he claims to have a Linux box at home and is pretty much hated by all UNIX/Linux admins (as well as most NT admins as well). He is the king of micro managers (and I have seen plenty of these in the aerospace industry). Thanks for the venting time and space. I apologize. > > > > I really like EVMS and can't wait for it to be in 2.5 and > > then 2.6 (just keep up the patches for 2.4 please :) > > EVMS hallelujah on linux-lvm? ;-) I like EVMS and it's concepts. However, I'm currently using LVM (I learned LVM on HPUX, so it was trivial to move to LVM on Linux!). So, I guess you could say that I started with LVM - like it, use it, depend on it; moving on to EVMS after some experimentation and testing. I hope the two merge at some point to avoid proprietary-isms that seem to be coming. Plus, I'm interested in the Open Cluster Framework developments with EVMS. I don't know if these kinds of things are happening with LVM or not. Jeff > > > > > > Jeff Layton > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > EVMS Development - http://www.sf.net/projects/evms > > > Linux Technology Center - IBM Corporation > > > (512) 838-9763 EMAIL: SLPratt@US.IBM.COM > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > linux-lvm mailing list > > > linux-lvm@sistina.com > > > http://lists.sistina.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-lvm > > > read the LVM HOW-TO at http://www.sistina.com/lvm/Pages/howto.html > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > linux-lvm mailing list > > linux-lvm@sistina.com > > http://lists.sistina.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-lvm > > read the LVM HOW-TO at http://www.sistina.com/lvm/Pages/howto.html > > -- > > Regards, > Heinz -- The LVM Guy -- > > *** Software bugs are stupid. > Nevertheless it needs not so stupid people to solve them *** > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > Heinz Mauelshagen Sistina Software Inc. > Senior Consultant/Developer Am Sonnenhang 11 > 56242 Marienrachdorf > Germany > Mauelshagen@Sistina.com +49 2626 141200 > FAX 924446 > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > _______________________________________________ > linux-lvm mailing list > linux-lvm@sistina.com > http://lists.sistina.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-lvm > read the LVM HOW-TO at http://www.sistina.com/lvm/Pages/howto.html